H&R Race People...

[gverelli]

For the people who have h&r race springs with 15" wheels. What are your measurements from fender to floor? For the front and back.


Thanks in advance for the help.

Gian

[Van Westervelt]

Early or late model? Also, fender to floor is not accurate as tire size, brand, and condition will also play a roll, as will camber plates etc.

Center of wheel hub to fender lip is how you measure it accurately.

[gverelli]

Early or late model? Also, fender to floor is not accurate as tire size, brand, and condition will also play a roll, as will camber plates etc.

Center of wheel hub to fender lip is how you measure it accurately.

Yes your completely right. Its just for an approximate I guess.

Its an 89. I wanted to check with people who were running either 205/55/15 and 205/50/15. I would like to see how much lower it is going to be from mine.

I asked fender to floor because I would like to see how much lower they actually will make my car. (ex. front lip rubbing on driveways, oil pan, jack fitting under body etc ..) Trying to debate on the race springs or not. I need an improvement, just do not know if it is worth it with the bad roads we have around here. But again your right there are many aspects but I would just like a rough estimate. I also am running fixed camber plates.

Now its 24.5" Front. 24" Rear....If race springs and a 205/50/15 tires bring it down to 22", it might be a tad to low, not sure yet.


Thanks again for your help.

[golde30]

2" in front and 2" rear is my experience. make the rear look lower than the front if you dont do some modification. i say if you need your car to be practical, then dont go for H&R race or IE3... maybe some H&R sport or vogtland something like that.

[gverelli]

2" in front and 2" rear is my experience. make the rear look lower than the front if you dont do some modification. i say if you need your car to be practical, then dont go for H&R race or IE3... maybe some H&R sport or vogtland something like that.

Thanks for the reply.
Well at first I wanted it to be practical. So I got the OE Sports/Billies. (Same spring rate as Sports.)

Although it was fine at first. I found that they were not that "sporty" at all. My sisters 128 handles 40x times better. My friends cooper s handles 100x times better (Shouldn't compare it to a cooper though) but the "stiffness" itself is much much more stiffer.

There is way to much body roll. I plan on doing some occasional tracking, and with this setup I dont see it being to good for the track.

Dont get me wrong. I dont mind stiffness at all for daily use. Thats not what concerns me. Its more the scraping of lip, pan and not being able to fit a jack under Im more concerned about, not the ride comfort.

Thats why Im trying to find out some peoples specs on fender to floor height. The spring rates for the race are fine.


Thanks again for the help.

[jlevie]

Springs matter w/respect to body roll, but stiffer sways can make a big improvement without risking oil pans, spoilers and the like.

I'd suggest that you upgrade the sways to a 22/19mm set and reassess the handling.

[gverelli]

Springs matter w/respect to body roll, but stiffer sways can make a big improvement without risking oil pans, spoilers and the like.

I'd suggest that you upgrade the sways to a 22/19mm set and reassess the handling.

Thanks for the advice.


I have now a 16mm rear sway bar. I was thinking of upgrading soon but I figured for the same price it would cost me for sways I would be able to buy the springs. Would there be a significant difference from a 16mm to a 19mm?



Thanks again for your help.

[E30_fiend]

stop worrying about your lip and oil pan. they are easily taken care of. Even guys with coils dont worry about jacking their cars up. go from the side. For your oil pan, get a skid plate. And as for a lip, THATS WHY BMW WAS SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE THE LIPS CLIPPED ON RATHER THAN BOLTED ON. If you know you will be close just take your lip off. When I have had my car towed, the would have torn my front end apart if I hadnt taken off my lip.

SO simmer down and just go with the H&R Race springs. Youll be fine.






Taylor

[Stephen]

stop worrying about your lip and oil pan. they are easily taken care of. Even guys with coils dont worry about jacking their cars up. go from the side. For your oil pan, get a skid plate. And as for a lip, THATS WHY BMW WAS SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE THE LIPS CLIPPED ON RATHER THAN BOLTED ON. If you know you will be close just take your lip off. When I have had my car towed, the would have torn my front end apart if I hadnt taken off my lip.

SO simmer down and just go with the H&R Race springs. Youll be fine.






Taylor

Truth. I rock coils on a DD without a skidplate. And my volvo lip sits a touch lower than an IS lip would and i dont scrape it much

[gverelli]

Alright.

Thanks everyone for the advice. Race springs it is.


Thanks again everyone.

[theox69]

Finally Gianni,
I've been telling you this for months!
It's about time, so get them on and lets have a shoot when I get my coils.

[JGood]

Good luck with the race springs.

My 2380lb e30 on H&R races sits higher then my 2800lb e30 on H&R sports.

My friends 2700lb e30 with H&R race springs sits the same height as my 2800lb e30 with H&R sports.

None of these cars have camber plates or vastly different tire sizes, or anything that would effect height.

Basically, they are stiffer, but not short enough to make up for the additional spring rate if your goal is lowering the car more. So they won't compress as much under the weight of the car as sports do, and leave you at about the same ride height.

[gverelli]

Good luck with the race springs.

My 2380lb e30 on H&R races sits higher then my 2800lb e30 on H&R sports.

My friends 2700lb e30 with H&R race springs sits the same height as my 2800lb e30 with H&R sports.

None of these cars have camber plates or vastly different tire sizes, or anything that would effect height.

Basically, they are stiffer, but not short enough to make up for the additional spring rate if your goal is lowering the car more. So they won't compress as much under the weight of the car as sports do, and leave you at about the same ride height.

Thanks for the advice.


Would you know a fender to floor height? What wheels size do you have?


Thanks again for the help.

[JGood]

Would you know a fender to floor height?

That's really not relevant. Even if you have the same size tires, some tire manufacturers vary quite a bit, or even bald vs. full tread tire can throw the measurement off. The easiest somewhat-close approximation is probably fender to wheel hub.

If you're looking for a 1" drop over what you're H&R Sports gave you, forget it. You probably won't be able to see a drop at all, and you might even be higher depending on weight.

[TG Goose]

I dont know why people dont just say what the OP asked for. I just installed H&R race 2 weeks ago. Car is a 1986 325 with high rear arches, Tire size is 225/50-15, front fender was originally 24.5", rear was 24" on install. Now rears are 23.5" from ground to fender and Fronts are 24". no spring pads on front or rear.

*I bumped this thread because i did a search for this very same thing, i was interested to see what ride heights people were getting with their H&R races