Why are Bilstein Sports so ROUGH!?

[LateFan]

I may go up in spring rate soon.

Because you actually run it on the track, or so you can tell people what your spring rates are?



So, serious question for this group then -
What is a decent, reasonably-priced street shock for an H&R Sport-lowered car?

[citizen_insane]

Ive had them on numerous e30s with stock bushings, and with upgraded poly or delrin bushings, and I cant stand the bil sports on the street.


don't let these kids on here fool you that they are tough and cant take a rough ride.

if its a street car, or a daily driver, youre going to hate yourself after a week.

I sold one of my e30s because I had bil sports with ply bushings. I didn't enjoy driving it anymore and sold the car haha. too much work to take it all out and I got a sweet offer on the car.

everyone who says bil sports and hr race ride good are trying to play mr. tough guy. that is a track set up, not street.

I will be looking for new dampers with my new build.

Different strokes man....

I have fully Poly/Delrin bushings in my car with GC 440/650 Coilovers (custom Konis, shortened housings) and I think it's too soft. I may go up in spring rate soon.

[reelizmpro]

Another thing to consider is Bilsteins were less expensive and had a lifetime warranty with the original owner. I remember I got my set for $369 back in the day. Then when they raised the prices, everyone was going with Koni SA's. However, I noticed people were also complaining about Koni's not lasting long and being blown. I'm guessing they were running too much of a drop on stock bodied Koni's as shortbodied Koni's (like GC's) seem to be holding up fine. I have 17 years on my Bilstein sports and they feel great. New billies may be super stiff but they definitely soften up over time.

[six2midnight]

dang! cool thanks for the post on that

[TrentW]

Tire Rack has 20% off on Konis right now.

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/Susptabl.jsp?autoMake=BMW&autoModel=325is&autoYear=1989&autoModClar=

[six2midnight]

What wheel and tire package are you running? I thought the ride quality with billi sports and H&R sports was perfectly fine until I switched from the stock 14" wheels to 16". Now I find it a bit harsh.

I always run 15x7 with 205/50. still rough.

[six2midnight]

I really wish there was a thread like this when I installed Bilstein HDs on my car a few years ago. The rebound damping really is harsh.

I should have spent the extra money for Koni's or saved money on Bilstein Tourings or stock.

I agree with you, wasted time and money on bil sports

[TrentW]

When I installed my Bilsteins/H&R Sports almost 10 years ago, that was the advice the majority of folks gave me. I remember getting the car together right before Christmas and the wife and I drove it to Atlanta. She hated the ride. HATED IT. I said she was complaining too much.

By the time we got to ATL I realized I had to agree with her somewhat.

Just put Koni adjustables & H&R Touring Sports on our E46 Touring...it's soooooo much better. Thank god, cause I was afraid my wife might not be happy with the ride, but thankfully she loves it.

[word is bond]

What wheel and tire package are you running? I thought the ride quality with billi sports and H&R sports was perfectly fine until I switched from the stock 14" wheels to 16". Now I find it a bit harsh.

[straight6pwr]

had bilstein/eibach on both my e30s (coupe early model, sedan late model) and although the car hit cracks, potholes, and manhole covers pretty sharply, i never though the ride was bone jarring. i daily drove about 100k miles with that setup, and i'd do it again.

[dlmrun2002]

Yeah F the Billys. I put them on my 325ix. Hated them. I put them on my 1974 2002 with H& R springs.. Hated them. Put some Koni full top adjustables with a GC kit on my 318is and they blow billy's away. Smooth at 60 mph. Smooth at 120 mph.
dlm ny country

[noahsense]

I really wish there was a thread like this when I installed Bilstein HDs on my car a few years ago. The rebound damping really is harsh.

I should have spent the extra money for Koni's or saved money on Bilstein Tourings or stock.

[Bearmw]

I like the M3 springs on my 2800 lb. cabrio but the KYB struts do not have enough rebound control so when I have some money I am upgrading to Koni SA. I think with that change my suspension will be close to perfect for me.

[FredK]

In my opinion, H&R Race are too soft for their fairly significant drop, especially when paired with Konis turned way down low in damping force.

I think E30 M3 stock springs or thereabouts is a good "old man" suspension. Plenty of travel, mild lowering, soft initial rate to match soft damping rates.

[reelizmpro]

Too stiff for the street is subjective. A younger person might think stiff coilovers or Race springs are perfectly fine on the street. I still think they are even though I'm pushing 40. However, I only drive my E30's for leisure so I'm fine with it. If you don't like Bilstein's, there's always low pressure Boge/Sachs and Koni SA.