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    Mysterious E28 535i clutch issue

    Hi all, I'm posting this for my dad, he's having a weird issue with his E28. He's had the car since new, and has been getting very fed up with this phantom clutch issue. He and his mechanic have tried many many things, with no success. Hopefully someone can help! Copy/paste of issue and symptoms below. Please help if you can! I'm crossposting this on the usual forums too.

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    My 1986 535i with 238K mi is having a persistent but intermittent clutch problem. The clutch is normal when cold, but when the engine has thoroughly warmed up on a hot day, the clutch pedal occasionally will go all the way to the floor with no resistance and without disengaging the engine from the transmission. This usually happens while one is trying to shift up through the gears from a stoplight, and suddenly the pedal is on the floor but the engine is still driving the car forward. The pedal will not return to the up position by itself, and the gears/synchros will clash if you try to force the shift while the pedal is on the floor. One can yank the shifter into neutral, then reach down and pull the pedal up from the floor, then the pedal works again and you can make the shift. The pedal can also be pulled back up with your toe sometimes, without shifting into neutral, and the engine and transmission remain engaged during that action. Once the pedal has been pulled up, the clutch usually works normally for a few times, then without warning it again goes to the floor with no resistance and without disengaging. On a really hot day the pedal may go to the floor and stay there every 2nd or 3rd time the pedal is depressed. When it happens, it does not seem to matter whether the pedal was initially depressed fully or just to the friction point – it goes the rest of the way to the floor with no resistance. In winter or with a stone cold engine in summer, the failure is never observed, so it seems to be related to temperature.

    What we have tried: thinking there must be air in the system, we have bled the entire clutch hydraulic system many times, to no effect. We have also bled the brake circuit, though there are no issues with the brakes. We have replaced the clutch slave cylinder and the master cylinder at various times as noted below. There is no apparent fluid leak, since the level of hydraulic fluid in the reservoir does not drop. The problem is worse when the air conditioner is running, but that may be coincidence - the air conditioner is only running on hot days and the problem only occurs with a hot engine on hot days. In any case, turning the air conditioner off does not stop the problem once it starts.

    History of clutch repairs: There was no problem with the original clutch disc and clutch hydraulic system, many years ago. The original clutch disc wore out and was replaced at 130K mi, the clutch slave cylinder was replaced at 150K mi. Problems began somewhere around 200 – 215 K, very rarely at first. The clutch master and slave cylinders were replaced at 215K because of this problem, but it didn’t stop the problem. The clutch master was replaced again at 226K, again didn’t solve the problem. A clutch pedal spring was replaced at 233K, again didn’t solve the problem. The transmission failed at 235K and was replaced, the clutch disc had significant life left and was not replaced, everything in the clutch system was inspected and bled thoroughly after reinstallation. The problem persisted, so we replaced all the hydraulic fluid in both brake and clutch circuits with ATE super blue racing fluid at 236K mi, which has a higher temperature limit than the stock fluid, with no improvement. In fact this summer with ambient temperatures near 100F, the problem is worse than ever.
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    #2
    Has it been the same pressure plate the whole time? Also, might want to check if the clutch fork retaining spring and pivot looks normal in the bellhousing. Just trying to think outside the box...seems like you've got the hydraulic system pretty much locked down as good at this point.

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      #3
      Sounds like your pedal bracket is eating master cylinders.

      Have you inspected the pedal bracket?

      Mine did the same thing for awhile, but i ended up replacing the entire clutch hydraulic system to include a ss braided clutch line.
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        #4
        i have the same problem, a quick search on mye28 says it's master cylinder or pedal bracket. bringing car into shop this week.

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          #5
          I have a sneaking suspicion that you may have a bent clutch fork, or actuating arm. I didn't see it mentioned.

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            #6
            Clutch master cyl.
            I cannot account for why it is intermittant but it's the clutch master cyl. Check for a cracked pedal bracket while you are there.
            Post your question also at mye28, those guys are typically very knowledgeable.

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              #7
              I have the exact same problem!!!!

              I recently replaced the clutch master and slave cylinder less than 5k ago. I didn't notice a crack on the pedal bracket at the time but there might be one now.

              BTW. There is a pedal bracket reinforcement kit being sold over at my28.com.

              RIP

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                #8
                Have you tried replacing the rubber hose that runs from the main res to the clutch MC? Its possible its collapsed internally and your not getting enough fluid to the clutch hydraulics.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FLG View Post
                  Have you tried replacing the rubber hose that runs from the main res to the clutch MC? Its possible its collapsed internally and your not getting enough fluid to the clutch hydraulics.
                  ^just had to replace this on my new e28 this weekend after having it only 3 days. But the plastic elbow connection from that hose into the master cyl was also cracked(A straight PITA to get out AND to get the new one in(without taking out pedal assembly etc.)) so I was actually leaking some fluid. Check for fluid in your carpet in that area.

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