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    Handy tip for adjusting valves

    I just learned this from my father who used to do this on old Ford V8s.

    It can be frustrating trying to track down 1 or 2 noisy valves. And when there is wear on the tappets, gauging the gap to 0.010" may not actually lead to the correct gap. The solution is to be able to check valve clearances while the engine is running. But how?

    The m20 engine will run with the valve cover off! Who knew? I always assumed that because the engine runs on a vacuum it wouldn't run at all (or barely run) with the cover off. Wrong! I was also worried that it would spray oil everywhere but that didn't happen either.

    Once I had the cover off and the engine running, it was very easy to stick a 0.002" feeler gauge in the gaps of all the valves. If the valve quiets down you know it's set improperly. It's also much easier to find the noisy valve as you can do the old shadetree stethoscope trick and put a screwdriver on the rocker covers while holding the handle up to your ear. I was instantly able to identify which valves were noisier and tighten them down a thousandth or too.

    Voile! My valves are quieter than ever and properly clearanced. The engine sounds perfect! Hopefully this tip is useful :up:

    Now if you're concerned that your valves are too tight, obviously you need to check all of them the old fashioned way. But valves loosen over time, they don't tighten. So unless your valves were improperly set the last time they were adjusted, you should not ever have to worry abut them being too tight.
    Last edited by CorvallisBMW; 08-20-2009, 03:33 PM.

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    I haven't tried that, but I do like adjusting them with the engine hot a lot better than doing it cold. but you have to be fast, if you take too long it cools and they will be set too loose. and try not to burn yourself of course.
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      #3
      Where do you stick the feeler gauge if the tappets are moving 700 times a minute?
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        #4
        sounds interesting. I need to try that the next time i adjust my valves.
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          #5
          Originally posted by jonmon6691 View Post
          Where do you stick the feeler gauge if the tappets are moving 700 times a minute?

          they actually move at half that speed.. but, I think he probably means turn the car off, put a shim in there, and then start it again.
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            Originally posted by nando View Post
            they actually move at half that speed.. but, I think he probably means turn the car off, put a shim in there, and then start it again.
            nope. Do it with the engine at idle. Trust me, it's not hard :)

            Originally posted by jonmon6691 View Post
            Where do you stick the feeler gauge if the tappets are moving 700 times a minute?
            the camshaft runs at 1/2 engine speed. Divide that by 60, and each one actually activates only about 5 times per second. It sounds fast, but really it's not. You shouldn't have any problems.

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              #7
              I think I may just give it a go this weekend. I adjusted my valves two weekends ago and one still sounds a little noisy...certain its only one tho. Thanks for the tip.


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                #8
                Can you take a video when you do it?
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                  #9
                  Very interesting, I need to adjust my valves when I get back in DC. I'll definitely try this out!
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                    #10
                    Great advice! Mad props to you CorvallisBMW. I will definetly use this when I adjust my valves next week. Do you need a new valve cover seal every time you remove the cover?



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                      Originally posted by jonmon6691 View Post
                      Where do you stick the feeler gauge if the tappets are moving 700 times a minute?
                      Originally posted by nando View Post
                      they actually move at half that speed.. but, I think he probably means turn the car off, put a shim in there, and then start it again.
                      Originally posted by CorvallisBMW View Post
                      nope. Do it with the engine at idle. Trust me, it's not hard :)



                      the camshaft runs at 1/2 engine speed. Divide that by 60, and each one actually activates only about 5 times per second. It sounds fast, but really it's not. You shouldn't have any problems.
                      I was gonna try and get techinical but now I can`t think how to express the math on a key board.

                      The cam is spinning slow enough to slip a feeler in there when in motion.

                      not really new since your pops showed it to ya, but new to this generation of DIYer`s--was it an awsome moment for your dad when you had that "ahh ha" face?

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                        #12
                        Great tip!!

                        A+ would read again

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                          #13
                          Hey great tip!

                          I've been obsessed by the valve adjustment ever since I've owned an M20. Probably done em 30 times in the last two years, hot, cold etc.

                          Have had trouble accepting the noise as normal, coming from hydraulic tappet V8s. Finally last week switched from synthetic to dino 20-50 and it sounds the best it ever has.

                          I'll be trying this one tomorrow!
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                            #14
                            Chevy's are easy to adjust. A single nut holds the rocker arm on, so all you do is loosen it up a 1/2 turn, then slowly tighten it back up until the clatter goes away. No stupid eccentrics to adjust or nothing. There are actually clips that snap onto the rocker arms to deflect oil from shooting out at you too.

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                              Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver View Post
                              Chevy's are easy to adjust. A single nut holds the rocker arm on, so all you do is loosen it up a 1/2 turn, then slowly tighten it back up until the clatter goes away. No stupid eccentrics to adjust or nothing. There are actually clips that snap onto the rocker arms to deflect oil from shooting out at you too.
                              porsche rockers work the same way.

                              the eccentric adjustments are pretty poor, actually. and the fork of the rocker arm leads to failures..
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