Mini Cooper S vs 318is: Which should I get?

[tjts1]

blah blah blah

Its a neon engine. It was designed by Chrysler, assembled by Chrysler and sent off to go into 1 of 2 cars: A neon or a Mini. End of story.

[Emre]

Might as well get this thread back on topic after all the my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours malarkey I just engaged in with Julien :p

Undeaneath all the MINI marketing BS beats the crapastic heart of a dodge NEON.

In fairness, the Mini handles pretty damned well for a FWD econobox. You can actually get it to rotate without having to do too much work. The damping is particularly impressive. There isn't enough power to run into significant torque steer or wheelspin until you get into modified Cooper S territory...and by then most folks would have an LSD in place. And there's nothing wrong with that twin-cam Chrysler/Rover engine. It's fine for what it is.

[kishg]

Its a neon engine. It was designed by Chrysler, assembled by Chrysler and sent off to go into 1 of 2 cars: A neon or a Mini. End of story.

great.. another retard with no reading comprehension.

[TDE30]

careful what you ask for, he just might be taller than you ;)

Joke.
Your head.

It's cool though, I was simply referring to how tall Julien is in hopes of quelling the difference in opinions between him and Emre about E30's and MCS'.

[tjts1]

And there's nothing wrong with that twin-cam Chrysler engine. It's fine for what it is.

There is plenty wrong with the SOHC Chrysler engine used in the MINI.

great.. another retard with no reading comprehension.

Just because you wrote it doesn't mean its correct. Keep the name calling to your 5th grade lunch break please.


Somebody should sell a 'Powered by Chrysler' windshield banner for the MINI.

[kishg]

Just because you wrote it doesn't mean its correct. Keep the name calling to your 5th grade lunch break please.

same goes for your inane statements.. no need to believe me, go do some basic research before you bring your 3rd grade mentality here.

[tjts1]

LOL
Can't handle the truth? The MINI has a Chrysler engine.
Designed by Chrysler, built by Chrysler in a Chrysler factory with Chrysler parts etc. Rover did little more than sign a contract and BMW inherited the deal. The engine went into 2 cars The MINI and the NEON.

Deal with it. Cry if you have to. The pain will pass eventually.

[Emre]

There is plenty wrong with the SOHC Chrysler engine used in the MINI.

So, tell us what's wrong with it.

P.S.: I thought the Neon had a 2.0L DOHC engine

[kishg]

LOL
Can't handle the truth? The MINI has a Chrysler engine.
Designed by Chrysler, built by Chrysler in a Chrysler factory with Chrysler parts etc. Rover did little more than sign a contract and BMW inherited the deal. The engine went into 2 cars The MINI and the NEON.

Deal with it. Cry if you have to. The pain will pass eventually.

who cares if chrysler built it? so what? why would i cry anyways? i don't even own a mini nor do i intend to.. like i said before (but then again you don't read so good so I will repeat), i think it looks like a car for my wife, not me.

[Julien]

Don't forget that the 318is has a tendency to grenade @ roughly 200k miles and that most examples you will find will have roughly that many miles. If you can live with a car that has problems from time to time, the e30 is a great candidate. I just got fed up with e30s while daily driving my swapped touring in Brussels. a non-stop fucking headache. Of course the mcs isn't the best car known to man, but I must say it impressed me when I test drove it in terms of performance, but a huge smile on my face.
We had a mini non-s in the family, and it wasn't bad at all, the torque from the SOHC motor made it a great dd candidate.

Basically what I am getting to is look what you need the car to do on a daily basis, and your decision should be easy.

Julien

[freeski27]

Its a neon engine. It was designed by Chrysler, assembled by Chrysler and sent off to go into 1 of 2 cars: A neon or a Mini. End of story.

Whats the big deal? I don't know mini's past what I have read on this thread... but it seems to me that their true failure point is the transmission?? (If i am correct). My mechanic buddy drives a neon with 200K... has had to replace a lot of suspension parts (bushings and whatnot)... but the engine keeps on tickin'.... Don't see the problem with it.
But non-the-less... we need to remember that thread starter is planning on getting a 2nd gen. mini...which makes all of this neglagable...

[zhp43867]

Joke.
Your head.

It's cool though, I was simply referring to how tall Julien is in hopes of quelling the difference in opinions between him and Emre about E30's and MCS'.

How tall are you guys? I'm ~6' 6" :)

Don't forget that the 318is has a tendency to grenade @ roughly 200k miles and that most examples you will find will have roughly that many miles. If you can live with a car that has problems from time to time, the e30 is a great candidate. I just got fed up with e30s while daily driving my swapped touring in Brussels. a non-stop fucking headache. Of course the mcs isn't the best car known to man, but I must say it impressed me when I test drove it in terms of performance, but a huge smile on my face.
We had a mini non-s in the family, and it wasn't bad at all, the torque from the SOHC motor made it a great dd candidate.

Basically what I am getting to is look what you need the car to do on a daily basis, and your decision should be easy.

Julien

Thanks for your input! So what are you driving now "instead" of your e30's? I think I'm leading towards the Mini, I couldn't care less if people think it's gay. :roll:

[tjts1]

So, tell us what's wrong with it.

Nothing if you're into Chryslers. Would you buy a 3 series with a Chrysler engine? Minis aren't exactly cheap econono boxes. I would have expected more.

P.S.: I thought the Neon had a 2.0L DOHC engine

In the US yes. It was sold in other markets with this 1.6 and and a 1.8. The 1.4/1.6 engine was assembled in Brazil under the deal with Rover but it shares its architecture and majority of components with the 1.8/2.0/2.4. Rover and BMW had nothing to do with the design and development. I'm sure BMW couldn't wait to get rid of it.

[Julien]

I'm also 6'6".. I fit in both cars, but I wanted something where I could be a bit more comfortable than either of those choices. I also wanted to mess around with diesel... I like the mk4 but it's not a driver's car at heart, but it does ok with a few mods.
'04 chipped/lowered/big braked TDI

[kishg]

we need to remember that thread starter is planning on getting a 2nd gen. mini...which makes all of this neglagable...

BINGO!!

i don't buy the anything domestic is crap argument either. sure, the big 3 haven't made anything i'd remotely want to buy in a while but that's a failure in design and marketing than engineering.

hopefully this will change, the new cts-v is nice!