BB Gun; Pellet gun; Paintball Gun? - 9mm?

[equate975]

however if I get a good pistol then I could potentially aim at the sky and fire a warning shot to have the person or persons (stop in thier tracks). Lots of options.
!

When I read your story I thought, buy a gun you waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, why the h*ll would you not have one. But after reading the above I realized that a real weapon is not for you. You are a danger to society with a firearm and should never be allowed to purchase a gun. You are not smart enough to own a gun, please buy a baseball bat or a joke of a BB gun.

Ducati: Anger managment is for you, a BB gun? What are you going to do, yell "back up, I got a GAMO b*tch"?

my god, your fucking retarded.... You call him crazy because he dosnt want to kill someone? First off, if you shoot them when they are running away or something its not even legal. The only time its legal is if you feel your life is in danger, and trying to say "he lit my car on fire then ran away and I thought i was going to die", probably wont go over to well. Its not worth it. Just tag them in the legs with some frozen paintballs and they will go down, aim for bones like hands and shit, youll break them.

[e30vert]

If you can get an RPG launcher, I've got some ammo for you.

Hook me up. :)

[e30vert]

Booby trap your place with some of these Egyptian Claymore Mines:

Got a DIY or writeup on how ? Where can I source them in Northern Calif?

[e30vert]

however if I get a good pistol then I could potentially aim at the sky and fire a warning shot to have the person or persons (stop in thier tracks). Lots of options.
!

When I read your story I thought, buy a gun you waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, why the h*ll would you not have one. But after reading the above I realized that a real weapon is not for you. You are a danger to society with a firearm and should never be allowed to purchase a gun. You are not smart enough to own a gun, please buy a baseball bat or a joke of a BB gun.

Ducati: Anger managment is for you, a BB gun? What are you going to do, yell "back up, I got a GAMO b*tch"?

Ken06- Thank you for commenting on the topic. All replies are welcome , good , bad , indifferent. As far as bringing my level of intelligence into this - I would staunchly disagree with my level of intellect as it is just that which stopped me from purchasing a firearm, waiting on my rooftop at night and just picking off any passer-by's.
When I mention that if I purchase a handgun that I will be pairing it with excellent firearms training I would think that in a class or instruction they would teach you proper weapon handling tactics and help you develop your abilites to shoot to wound , and also shoot to exercise deadly force.

After consulting the police I am told that I am allowed to use necessary force to detain the subject who committed the crime and not a bit more. This is a tough thing to do effectively. Essentially, I will be faced with the need to subdue a criminal without endangering myself to a great extent and not injure or damage the criminal to the extent that I could be sued both criminally or civily.

Perhaps you in all your infinate wisdom would have a much better solution than I and with the few words that you have chosen to contribute with ideas and thoughts you have chosen to bash my intelligence??? This limits your credibility.

I thank the other board members who offered empathy , kind words , and fairly well thought out solutions. They obviously did so by putting themselves in my shoes.

Please develop this skill to a greater degree and lessen your RAMBO urges to a great degree please.

[Beej '86 325es]

This type of stuff happens, I've had vandalism happen to my car, and you probably will experience it again sometime in the future. There's nothing you can do but say "shit that sucks" and eat it. Getting the full coverage is not a bad idea though.

If it is who you susupect it is, they no doubt know the police were called and are aware that they are a suspect. If that is the case then don't sweat it, it will not happen again. Just don't do anything stupid like buying a gun over something that is like the cop said "just a posession."

[SwirlyE30]

Over here in the Uk we get quite a bit of crime, but having only been on Holiday to the states i cant really say i know much,if any about the extent of it over there.

If someone had done somthing like that over here, it depends on the type of person as to how theyd react, but at the most, if they victim knew who'd done it, they would probably go round to their house and use a bat,etc.
I realise that getting your car set alight ,for no reason must be sh*t,when people tamper with other peopls property, espeically cars (as they can be very personal to someone) then it usually causes a lot of problems.

But at the end of the day, to say that you would willingly go out and buy a gun and use it on someone, for setting fire to your car,is just plain stupid. Fair enough ,youve worked hard for the money to pay for it and i can imagen how you feel, but you do not want to shot someone.

Maybe thats why theres so much gun crime in the states, because its so easy to get hold of somthing,people use it over any situation.

Even if you get the propper training and know how to maintain a weapon it makes no differnce to if you were shooting for the first time (to some extent) , you are still intentionally harming someone.
Anyone can say ' with the correct training and classes,it would be safe to use a gun', wrong. Guns in this sense would never be classed as a safe method of sorting the problem out, all youd do is either a) Seriously hurt someone and then face charges? 2) Kill someone,(Accidents,bad aiming,other sircumstances always come into it) 3)or find out someone has another weapon therefore just adding more fuel to the fire.


Ive handled quite a few weapons, and had quite a bit of training on real firearms, and 'Airsoft' weapons and i know that if you aimed a 400fps AEG airsoft weapon at someone close range, not only would you break the skin, but youd have then screaming like f*ck.

But even then you run the risk of damaging someone beyond your intentions. What if you hit someone in the face/eye with a BB, pellet gun? Im sure over in America people would jump at the chance to sue someone for blinding them etc.


All id say dude is dont do anything stupid,by all means get more security,keep a look out,and if you catch them, well then im sure their going to have a aore ass in the morning, just id personally stear clear from useing firearms over somthing like this.


Sorry about the car either way

[e30vert]

Good point.- Beej '86 325es .


The funny thing is - Full coverage for the 1988 325ic would cost 368$ just to get started. That covers first months payment of the insurance, broker fee's , and some miscellaneous startup costs.... The insurance is then 120 $a month. So for the year thats - 368 $ + 11 months insurance (1320) = $1688

I asked what would be provided if the car burnt to the ground and was a total loss and interjected that it was probably medium Kelly Blue Book value for a car of this year and vintage with 120 K miles.

An excellent condition vehicle as a Private Party value is only $3300.00 and one in "good" conditon is only $2995.00 I would most likey get a check for $2995.00

So one year insurance = 1/2 the cars percieved value. Bad move to get full coverage as I would give away 1/2 the value of the automobile in just one year.

I have way more than 3000 $ into the vehicle and would rather spend my money on visual deterents, devices to watch over the vehicle ( infrared camera,etc) and protection devices - 9mm ;paintball , and BB /Pellet guns. 1688 $ can buy you a ton of these :D

I am going to upgrade the alarm system on the E30vert to include a "proximity" sensor so that if someone throws something or comes within a certain number of inches -well they get nabbed. It is a relatively simple and inexpensive upgrade. Perfect for convertables!

If anyone needs help with the install of this type of device and are in the Bay Area Northern Ca let me know as I will be an expert after this.

[Beej '86 325es]

An alarm with the proxy sensor is a good idea if you have a convertible. I have interior and exterior proximity sensors on my car and they work pretty well when you get them tweaked just right. However, if someone is driving by and throws something into your car, it'll take about a second for the alarm to start buzzing and by the time you look out the window, they're long gone.

If you have to park by other cars a lot, you're really just asking for trouble though. My car has been kicked and balls bounced on it, etc. etc. when I was in college because people loved f*cking with it.

[e30vert]

Over here in the Uk we get quite a bit of crime, but having only been on Holiday to the states i cant really say i know much,if any about the extent of it over there.

If someone had done somthing like that over here, it depends on the type of person as to how theyd react, but at the most, if they victim knew who'd done it, they would probably go round to their house and use a bat,etc.
I realise that getting your car set alight ,for no reason must be sh*t,when people tamper with other peopls property, espeically cars (as they can be very personal to someone) then it usually causes a lot of problems.

But at the end of the day, to say that you would willingly go out and buy a gun and use it on someone, for setting fire to your car,is just plain stupid. Fair enough ,youve worked hard for the money to pay for it and i can imagen how you feel, but you do not want to shot someone.

Maybe thats why theres so much gun crime in the states, because its so easy to get hold of somthing,people use it over any situation.

Even if you get the propper training and know how to maintain a weapon it makes no differnce to if you were shooting for the first time (to some extent) , you are still intentionally harming someone.
Anyone can say ' with the correct training and classes,it would be safe to use a gun', wrong. Guns in this sense would never be classed as a safe method of sorting the problem out, all youd do is either a) Seriously hurt someone and then face charges? 2) Kill someone,(Accidents,bad aiming,other sircumstances always come into it) 3)or find out someone has another weapon therefore just adding more fuel to the fire.


Ive handled quite a few weapons, and had quite a bit of training on real firearms, and 'Airsoft' weapons and i know that if you aimed a 400fps AEG airsoft weapon at someone close range, not only would you break the skin, but youd have then screaming like f*ck.

But even then you run the risk of damaging someone beyond your intentions. What if you hit someone in the face/eye with a BB, pellet gun? Im sure over in America people would jump at the chance to sue someone for blinding them etc.


All id say dude is dont do anything stupid,by all means get more security,keep a look out,and if you catch them, well then im sure their going to have a aore ass in the morning, just id personally stear clear from useing firearms over somthing like this.


Sorry about the car either way

Thanks for the concern and helpful comments.
Heres the bottom line -

Fire in my vehicle has the potential to burn the car to the ground and in the process may explode** or spread to the adjoining vehciles and/or the home I live in. So what started as a simple car fire has now potentially turned into a multiple homicide.

Believe it! It happens! That is exactly what I will tell the police when they arrive to view the person that is responsible for such an act. I have the right. No forget right . I have the obligation to protect myself and those that I care for and as GOD as my witness I will do so! If people want to play a big boys game then they need to be prepared for the consequences! So I tell everyone of my neighbors - "I hope the come back" and I sincerly do!

I DO carry a GRUDE, I do take it PERSONAL. I do like the choice of vehciles that I decided to purchase, and I will never cower and hide from crime in my neighborhood.

Feel free to take those exact words and have them inscribed on my gravestones epitath!



These "thugs" are cowards and what they did was a cowards crime. Shit - throw some lit material in a persons vehcile and run likea scared pansy kid. Well, they will be lucky to run if and when there is a next time.

[ken06]

Ken06- Thank you for commenting on the topic. All replies are welcome , good , bad , indifferent. As far as bringing my level of intelligence into this - I would staunchly disagree with my level of intellect as it is just that which stopped me from purchasing a firearm, waiting on my rooftop at night and just picking off any passer-by's.
When I mention that if I purchase a handgun that I will be pairing it with excellent firearms training I would think that in a class or instruction they would teach you proper weapon handling tactics and help you develop your abilites to shoot to wound , and also shoot to exercise deadly force.

After consulting the police I am told that I am allowed to use necessary force to detain the subject who committed the crime and not a bit more. This is a tough thing to do effectively. Essentially, I will be faced with the need to subdue a criminal without endangering myself to a great extent and not injure or damage the criminal to the extent that I could be sued both criminally or civily.

Perhaps you in all your infinate wisdom would have a much better solution than I and with the few words that you have chosen to contribute with ideas and thoughts you have chosen to bash my intelligence??? This limits your credibility.

I thank the other board members who offered empathy , kind words , and fairly well thought out solutions. They obviously did so by putting themselves in my shoes.

Please develop this skill to a greater degree and lessen your RAMBO urges to a great degree please.

I'm not the one who is going to fire a damn glock in the air. Do you realize what comes up, must come down. People die from stupid sh*t like that, and it is never justified for you to shoot a gun in the air. Put a hole in someones roof or someones head by doing that. You WILL go to jail if you shoot your gun in the air. Name one situation when you would need to do that. "Warning" shots are only in movies. As you said above you are only allowed to use FORCE (GUN) when you life is in IMMEDIATE danger. Unless the kids are going to kill you then you cannot shoot your gun to scare them. And if you are legally able to shoot your gun in defense it would mean you are a second away from being killed and you better be shooting at a person. Intelligent people know how and when they can use a gun (ME). So called "RAMBO" (YOU) does not and would illegally use a firearm and possibly kill/ likely damage property by firing a warning shot. Use your greater degree of thinking that I think you can do and realize that you infact are rambo in this situation. I told you not to buy a gun because you don't know crap about guns and would kill someone else or get yourself arrested for using excessive force. You talk about wounding someone and apprehending them affectivly, you can't shoot somebody because they lit your car on fire. Even if the kids attacked you, you cannot shoot them, even if they beat the crap out of you. The use of a firearm can only be used in self defense when someone is going to die, you or the attacker. You do not understand when a firearm can be and properly be used for self defense, which is why I told you not to buy one. I was just using my head and looking out for the RAMBO inside you.

I never said anything RAMBO like or crazy. I just said that you are not intelligent enough to buy a gun, which I believe is well justified. All the other people were helping you out by giving you ideas, I was helping you out by keeping you out of prison.

Here's the advice I guess you were so sad to not get, buy a baseball bat and chase the kid down next time. But Rambo, don't hit him, just scare him with it. No hard feelings and for the love of God, don't buy a gun.

Ken

[ken06]

my god, your fucking retarded.... You call him crazy because he dosnt want to kill someone? First off, if you shoot them when they are running away or something its not even legal. The only time its legal is if you feel your life is in danger, and trying to say "he lit my car on fire then ran away and I thought i was going to die", probably wont go over to well. Its not worth it..

Umm...i'm not retarded, you are if you think I am. You are pretty smart because you said you cannot shoot someone unless your life is in danger. Well, you missed the part of you can only fire your gun if your life is in danger. This guy wants to shoot his gun in the air to stop somebody, he is crazy and you are fucking retarded for thinking that is all right.

[uofom3]

Some of you guys need to go release some tension and stop being quazzi-badasses. Smoke some weed, drink a beer, get a massage, whatever.... just fucking chill out. to quote one of the most violent, yet great, movies of all time, "there is nothing more chicken shit than fucking with another mans automobile". I've had my shit messed with before and it sucks, and i was fucking heated after it happened. But you have to put it in perspective... in a perfect world, the fuck-tard who lit your car on fire would be executed. BUT, that isn't going to happen, and having a bunch of pissed of car enthusiasts arming themselves to go fuck up people with guns is pretty jacked. I live near a rural area, i've been around guns. My dad has guns, my grandpa has guns.. fuck my girlfriends grandparents have a 20x20walk in gun room with enough ammunition and weaponry to start a revolution... but none of this is there for the sake of shooting people. Get a camera, find a way to NON-lethally injure the people who vadalized your car, but "fighting fire with fire" is going to get YOU fucked up. Think about it, you want to take a class to learn how to "non lethally injure" your attackers. OK, good plan. But the variable you're not thinkin about here is the fact that these fucks don't give a SHIT about you, your family, your property, or "non-lethally" shooting you. Ever heard of stray bullets? What if you miss and kill someone else, or if they miss and kill a member of your family. Plus, there is more of them, with more guns, ect. ect. I'd love to find the fucker who did this, and put a gun to their head, but it's just a pipe-dream..... actually trying to put that plan into action in ANY way is just stupid. I understand not wanting to leave your neighborhood just because of crime; it really is a bad reason to have to leave a place that you otherwise don't have a problem with. But pride or hubris or whatever else aside, it is going to be the ONLY way to solve this problem. There are too many shit heads, who don't give a shit about you or anyone, to try and mount some battle against them. Ultimately, what's just completely, obsurdly, and totally fucked about this situation is that you have to ARM yourself to keep your property safe infront of your home. That is something that i can't even imagine having to do, and no one should have to deal with that shit. But... who can we thank for this? The politically correct, liberalized, hyper-sensitive and overly tolerant goverments in major cities.... the police have their hands tied. Anyway, i hope this situation gets better for you, i like the idea of the proxy sensors on the alarm, they've saved my car a few times. I'll talk to my roomate about an idea, he knows how to come up with some sadistically funny ideas... on a funny note... check this out for some ideas...

http://www.stickdeath.com/2004auto.html

[Jcapelo]

Theres a BB gun brand out there called Gammo. Theyve got a pretty nice semi auto handgun out. I think its got like a 12 round magazine, and its C02 powered. For a cheap $60, you could give him a pretty good message, and not break the skin.

Fuck what everyone else says. Take the shit into your own hands, chances are yuo'll just get your insurance check and no justice will be done. Be smart though.

One time I had a kid who was doing donuts in my yard every friday night, in his turboed Ford Focus. So I made spike strips out of plywood with about 100 nails punched through it. I fliiped it over, put it in my lawn, and waited. Dumbass showed up, and proceeded to go to business as usual. I watched, he popped all 4 tires, and as he was leaving, he got a cynder block dropped off the top of my 2 story garage right ontop of his roof. Fucker never came back.

Hahahaha thats some funny shit

[e30vert]

Some of you guys need to go release some tension and stop being quazzi-badasses. Smoke some weed, drink a beer, get a massage, whatever.... just fucking chill out. to quote one of the most violent, yet great, movies of all time, "there is nothing more chicken shit than fucking with another mans automobile". I've had my shit messed with before and it sucks, and i was fucking heated after it happened. But you have to put it in perspective... in a perfect world, the fuck-tard who lit your car on fire would be executed. BUT, that isn't going to happen, and having a bunch of pissed of car enthusiasts arming themselves to go fuck up people with guns is pretty jacked. I live near a rural area, i've been around guns. My dad has guns, my grandpa has guns.. fuck my girlfriends grandparents have a 20x20walk in gun room with enough ammunition and weaponry to start a revolution... but none of this is there for the sake of shooting people. Get a camera, find a way to NON-lethally injure the people who vadalized your car, but "fighting fire with fire" is going to get YOU fucked up. Think about it, you want to take a class to learn how to "non lethally injure" your attackers. OK, good plan. But the variable you're not thinkin about here is the fact that these fucks don't give a SHIT about you, your family, your property, or "non-lethally" shooting you. Ever heard of stray bullets? What if you miss and kill someone else, or if they miss and kill a member of your family. Plus, there is more of them, with more guns, ect. ect. I'd love to find the fucker who did this, and put a gun to their head, but it's just a pipe-dream..... actually trying to put that plan into action in ANY way is just stupid. I understand not wanting to leave your neighborhood just because of crime; it really is a bad reason to have to leave a place that you otherwise don't have a problem with. But pride or hubris or whatever else aside, it is going to be the ONLY way to solve this problem. There are too many shit heads, who don't give a shit about you or anyone, to try and mount some battle against them. Ultimately, what's just completely, obsurdly, and totally fucked about this situation is that you have to ARM yourself to keep your property safe infront of your home. That is something that i can't even imagine having to do, and no one should have to deal with that shit. But... who can we thank for this? The politically correct, liberalized, hyper-sensitive and overly tolerant goverments in major cities.... the police have their hands tied. Anyway, i hope this situation gets better for you, i like the idea of the proxy sensors on the alarm, they've saved my car a few times. I'll talk to my roomate about an idea, he knows how to come up with some sadistically funny ideas... on a funny note... check this out for some ideas...
http://www.stickdeath.com/2004auto.html

Good points! The criminals who perpetrated this crime named - attempted arson do not subscribe to all this - "what if I shoot a gun in the air and a stray bullet comes down and goes through a roof and kills someone by putting thier eye out" mentality. Thier mentality is simple, cause harm to people and property at all costs and screw the consequeses. They dont consider taking a class to effectively shoot someone non-letally, what they do - do is carry concealed weapon with the intent of injuring and potentially killing them.

What I am saying is that I am going to "even the playing field". There are lots of dead intelligent people who have been shot by the non intelligent gun toting thugs and hoodlums of todays society. In the end - Guess what, thier still dead.

Im no rambo , but I will be god-damned if I am going to let a bunch of punk kids ruin my possessions while I sit idly by.

Proximity sensor goes in to the Beemer and new infrared camera will see in near darkness with watcher software that tirggers when there is motion detected in an area that can be defined by masking off all the areas of the picture that you dont care about motion in. Then when I get an alarm chirp coupled with a camera trigger sound. Its ON! _Probably end up shooting a cat- MEow! Boom!
I now sleep with my tennis shoes on and stretch before going to bed in case I am going for any late night marathons .

[RedBaron86325]

You want guns? Lookie what I got today..