After my ding...

[AndreNY]

well im not gonna even waste my time writing about AWD charlie is right, AWD sucks in teh snow and RWD rules :roll:

[Charlie]

well im not gonna even waste my time writing about AWD charlie is right, AWD sucks in teh snow and RWD rules :roll:

Where did I write that Andre?

I simply stated that AWD isn't going to help you stop or turn any better in snow. AWD has plenty of advantages when it comes to acceleration in loose surfaces. However, it does not make someone god when it comes to decelerating and negotiating a turn. Most of the snow related wrecks I've seen consist of someone overcooking a turn and plowing into a curb, parked car, tree, etc. AWD isn't going to help you there.

-Charlie

[AndreNY]

well im not gonna even waste my time writing about AWD charlie is right, AWD sucks in teh snow and RWD rules :roll:

Where did I write that Andre?

I simply stated that AWD isn't going to help you stop or turn any better in snow. AWD has plenty of advantages when it comes to acceleration in loose surfaces. However, it does not make someone god when it comes to decelerating and negotiating a turn. Most of the snow related wrecks I've seen consist of someone overcooking a turn and plowing into a curb, parked car, tree, etc. AWD isn't going to help you there.

-Charlie

you know what the big problem is, that ppl generalize when it comes to AWD, some idiots mostly SUV owners think they are gods when it comes to snow, But they are not. and i agree with you charlie AWD does not mean the car is going to stop or turn like any car would if it were dry. But in a snow situation AWD is better then RWD or FWD, the breaking and handling depends on the car (audi, subaru.....) but in general AWD is a better car in the snow.

[SickE30]

O my God Charlie there is a debate in progress. Lock the thread while there is still time! 8)

[OldUser1]

AWD has its pro's and con's just like FWD has, and RWD has. But you never want the tires that are steering to be the ones that are loosing traction.
My buddy has a '95 AWD Subaru Impreza, when he launches that little car pushes you back into your seat like its got 400 horsepower....but after the clutch is engaged...nothing. No go, no balls. Once out of 1st gear you sit there wondering WTF?!.

[AndreNY]

AWD has its pro's and con's just like FWD has, and RWD has. But you never want the tires that are steering to be the ones that are loosing traction.
My buddy has a '95 AWD Subaru Impreza, when he launches that little car pushes you back into your seat like its got 400 horsepower....but after the clutch is engaged...nothing. No go, no balls. Once out of 1st gear you sit there wondering WTF?!.

eaclty same here with my dads Audi 80 quattro, but do that with a S4, and you will be like WOW this mofo pulls 1st 2nd 3rd and sooo on

[chase]

Ok, First off thanks for some of the replies on diff cars you guys posted. I'm thinking about an Audi, but which ones would be good? I'm lookin in the low 90's years. 2 door if possible, but i'm not sure about audi's make there cars.

Second off, Charlie. yes i had a little run in with a pole, but your statement without any knowlege whatsoever about my 'loss of control on [my] part." i was going 12mph down a small hill that had slush on it. i downshifted and gave a little gas so it wouldn't lock up my wheels, but i didnt 'give it enough and the car slowly slid into opp. lane and bounced off a poll. So, lets not make assumptions about accidents Okay?

Third off, Yes, many people think that when they get in the 4wd suv's they can do anything, and therefore and actually most often the ones stuck in a bad situation. I don't think that a awd would be the complete answer to my solution so that i could drive in the snow with the car handling like there wasn't any. So, we also learn not to make assumptions about peoples belief's on reasons for a particular car type.

Charlie, Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. Lets try and not make assumptions

Fourth, AWD Would help turning better in the snow opposed to a rwd car when my back end would be sliding out. Think about your posts before you make them.

So, also, i'de like some ideas on low-mid 90's awd cars, doesn't have to be euro since parts for euro cars are a lot :-p

[Inspar8r]

Okay, my turn.

AWD/4WD.
Acceleration being better?

CLEARLY. You have 4 drive wheels as opposed to 2. No arguments there.

Turning being better?

Yes. If you understeer (front drive wheels have little/no traction), you can always use the throttle to bring the tail around a bit before you plow head on into that median there. Had you been driving FWD, you were fucked unless you are good with the Ebrake

If you oversteer (rear wheels have little/no traction), countersteerin as well as having the front drive wheels may save you from over cooking, or overcompensating, and THEN overcooking coming the other way and put it in the wall. If you had RWD, only countersteering can help, and your threshold is lower without the front drive wheels going.

Braking being better?

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you brake, what drive wheels you have has absolutely nothing to do with how weel you brake. Shit, i could have 1WD and my car would brake the same as if i had 8WD. Just think, when you put your foot in the clutch, does your drivetrain have anything to do with your braking system at that point, or it's ability to slow down the car? Nope.

As a matter of fact, you could venture out and say that 4WD/AWD cars may brake poorer than their RWD/FWD counterparts because of the added weight for the 4WD/AWD system.

Ever notice that most of the cars in the ditch are 4WD, FWD, or AWD cars? Wonder why.

[Jand3rson]

I'm thinking about an Audi, but which ones would be good? I'm lookin in the low 90's years. 2 door if possible, but i'm not sure about audi's make there cars.

The Audi 80's, 90's and 100's only came in 4-door (except in cabrio). If you want the 2-door of that body style, you will be looking at the CQ (coupe quattro)



Expect to pay around 5-9k for one of these, as they are getting harder to find in good shape.

[kidrobot]

325iX all the way. Those are some Evil little Cars if
You can get em suited to your needs. They already
come stock with more torque than a reg. E30 plus
after simple mods you'd be keeping up with the
rest of us (They run a tad slower). That's the car
I've been looking at. I've had a couple 4000cs Quattro
Audis and I would try to stick to Bimmers if you can.
They're good cars, don't get me wrong, but they're
slower than shit. Hope this post sways you. PM me!

[E30godz]

more torque eh? what's your source? I remember the debate about whether the 325ix's M20 had a little more punch than the "regular" M20's..

[nando]

if you want something that's just going to be a cheap beater, get an old beat up subaru. Otherwise, go for the ix. The AWD system in the ix is superior to the Audi 90 in every regard according to several respected publications, plus they both cost about the same. :)

[Charlie]

325iX all the way. Those are some Evil little Cars if
You can get em suited to your needs. They already
come stock with more torque than a reg. E30 plus
after simple mods you'd be keeping up with the
rest of us (They run a tad slower). That's the car
I've been looking at. I've had a couple 4000cs Quattro
Audis and I would try to stick to Bimmers if you can.
They're good cars, don't get me wrong, but they're
slower than shit. Hope this post sways you. PM me!

No offense man, but don't post mis-information. ix's got the same m20 motor in terms of power ratings as the rest of the US model line. The only difference is in the oil pan/pump. The cars are slower do the the increased weight/driveline loss.

-Charlie