TUCK MICHJELIN FIRES!!!!!!

[joshh]

This comes down to the dumbest rule ever in motorsports. One set of tires for qualifying and the race. And its supposed to be less expensive?? Wasn't it Kimi that wrecked his car because he couldn't change tires??

Then Michelin is to blame as well. This is very bad for F1. It was nice having it here. Later.

Poor fucking fans (other than the assholes throwing shit on course) and drivers....

[James Crivellone]

Well that fucking sucks, complete waste

[Charlie]

We spent 300 for 2 tickets and left after lap 9 or 10. We were super pissed.

Dumbass.

Pay for the whole thing and leave.


I downed 6 fosters and waved my minardi hat every lap.

Yeeha.

Michelin sucks, France sucks, simple. The bridgestone teams played to the rules and Michelin didn't, they pushed for this rule to screw ferrari, and they got caught out.

-Charlie

[Charlie]

im glad i didnt go. but i'm glad i dont go every time this event comes around. i have much better things to spend my money on. TV's are awsome.

Fag.

F1 rules live, even if it is 6 cars. Getting drunk, listening to ridiculously loud cars, getting sunbaked and oogling brazilian and german chicks rules.

-Charlie

[rwh11385]

Getting drunk, listening to ridiculously loud cars, getting sunbaked and oogling brazilian and german chicks rules.

-Charlie

OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.
GODDAMN. WHAT THE FUCK. BUST A NUT. Those chicks were hotter than fucking SUN.

I would have literally fucked them with no rubber. It'd be worth it.


And shit.....I just finally sobered up......I was hammered at the race start. Then left and was stumbling around trying to start a riot and waving my Williams flag and saying we were #1 in sitting on our asses!

And also shouted "Muck Fichilen" and other crap....

Oh, and ran into my former boss.....and chatted with him while smashed.

And my girlfriend could still smell the rum on my breath at 10pm tonight.

[loudes13]

[MattE30]

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41f82178z4baa12af/1901/__sr_/ece0.jpg?phI9vtCB41WUMw_N

[AdironRider]

So I just read on espn.com that the FIA is saying that the whole debocle is the teams fault for bringing faulty equipment and that suspensions, fines, or docked point penalties could ensue.

Personally I think this is totaly horseshit! How is it the teams fault if the tire manufacturer even said it was unsafe to use their own tires! FIA apparently thinks that the teams should have run anyways but slowed down for the death turn 13, thus basically forfeiting the race. How lame. I was just starting to get into F1 too. I think Im just going to watch champ cars now.

[GaryE30]

BAH HUMBUG... tis a shame, tis a shame.

[schnitzer teil-jäger]

Oh quit whinning, I do not like schumi or fagari but, If you can't build a tire for the course, especially after last years results, you deserve to go to the garage. If you decide to use faulty equipment in the most costly form of motorsports you need to hide in the garage. Yes it sucks that Michelin was a dumb ass and may have killed F1 as the US knows it for years. So don't buy anymore Michelins! If you show up to a football game with paper helmets expect to be sitting in the locker room.


I think it was due to fan attendance being down 50%. Michelin teams counter acted with reducing the field by 75%. Now it is back to the fans for the next move.

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[20/06/05 - 14:39]

Jean Todt explains Ferrari's position
'Honestly, why should we compromise?'





'I mainly feel sorry for all the supporters' - Todt


After Sunday’s controversial United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis, Jean Todt clarified Ferrari’s position in the run-up to the situation which led to 14 Michelin runners peeling off into the pits at the end of the parade lap, taking no further part in the race.

But first Todt admitted that “I feel sorry about what happened, but I mainly feel sorry for all the supporters who were here, for the American supporters, for the TV viewers but it was not our decision.”

The reason why the Michelin runners took no part in the race was because they had unsuitable tyres on which they were recommended not to race. Compromises were sought from various sources to let the Michelin runners race, even for no points, but no solution was found.

At one point, a chicane was suggested in the quick banked corner at the end of the lap, where one of the Michelin tyre failures took place during practice. Todt explained that he was not consulted on this.

“We were never involved with those discussions,” said Todt. “Never involved. We were never asked about that. Whether we would have agreed or not is another question, and I tell you right now, to be sincere, we would not have agreed, but we were never asked about that. But is it serious to decide to put in a chicane half an hour without nobody testing it? It’s ridiculous.”



Todt did say that Bernie Ecclestone had talked to him about “different proposals, including a chicane, but again, it’s a matter of the FIA, it’s not a matter of the commercial rights holder (Ecclestone’s position). And I said that for me it was up to the FIA to decide.”

Continuing to explain his position, Todt pointed out that “number one, it’s an FIA decision. Number two, if something happened on the other side; if, for example, we don’t have enough grip for qualifying and we ask for three laps because we have good grip after the third lap, or if we ask for a chicane because we feel it would be safer for our tyres, I think everybody would laugh at us. So you just have to be prepared to react to a situation.

“You have two sets of tyres which you chose from, one normally is soft, the other one is hard and then you make your choice. I feel sorry for those who could not compete, but I feel more sorry, again, for the supporters.”

Todt then explained the disadvantages of the sudden installation of a chicane. “If we knew beforehand that there would be a chicane, we would have come prepared for a chicane. We would come with different tyres, we would have a different set-up on the car, we would have different gear ratios.

“Honestly, why should we compromise? We try to do a good job with Bridgestone, and we did not do a very good job with Bridgestone since the beginning of the year. We arrive, we are in a situation where we see from Friday that we are competitive, we don’t have any problem with tyres so for us it’s an opportunity.”

There was even a suggestion that the Michelin teams would compete for no points if a chicane was installed. But Todt’s reply was “would we have competed for no points? I say no. If this race would have been a race without points which cannot be, it would have been out of the FIA standard, we would not have started.”

Asked what sort of harm the boycott had done the image of Formula One, Todt replied “very bad. I wish we could come back to the States because it’s a very important country, it’s now our number one market, the States, and for so many years Bernie has tried to implement something in the States. Unfortunately, it was not the best demonstration today. It has been a hard hit for Formula One today.”

Todt explained that the teams had been warned about pushing the tyre situation to the limit. “We all got a letter two weeks ago warning us after the Monte Carlo race and after Nurburgring when Raikkonen had his problem, that we had to pay special attention to the tyres, the pressures, about all that, and it’s something we thought could happen for a while.”

Asked under what circumstances he would you have been willing to race with the Michelin runners, Todt said “I would say three options. One, they could have changed their tyres. Two, they would have to compromise in this specific corner. And three, they could have used the pit lane. If these cars cannot take this corner, what can I do? You would have had a race.”

[EverWiser]

Yes...There was a problem with the tires and Michelin decided it would endanger the drivers to run on them through turn 13...I'm not a big advocate for "rules changes" because if rules are that flexible, why have them. However, of the options of changing the tires, the chicane, or not racing, the organization should have "mandated" one of the first two and have the race with all the drivers at all cost. If you're really trying to build the sport's following in the US (a weak market for F1 in the first place) then you mandate the temporary change. Give all of the teams new tires; even the Bridgestone people. If that wasn't acceptable, then put up the chicane.

It's very enlightening that the only team that wouldn't agree to the chicane was Ferrari (the no doubt would be winner with the situation that existed). I don't think blame belongs with Michelin or the 12 other drivers/teams...It belongs with the F1 rules committee or chairman and/or Team Ferrari. If it was really about competitive racing and not one team/nationality/manufacturer maintaining its dominance there would have been 20 cars competing...

[e30sd]

[PrinceE30]

im glad i didnt go. but i'm glad i dont go every time this event comes around. i have much better things to spend my money on. TV's are awsome.

Fag.

F1 rules live, even if it is 6 cars. Getting drunk, listening to ridiculously loud cars, getting sunbaked and oogling brazilian and german chicks rules.

-Charlie

Seriously. During qual alone I had two Fosters and was getting hammered. The sound of the cars. For a true petrol head, that was still a great event.

[PrinceE30]

We spent 300 for 2 tickets and left after lap 9 or 10. We were super pissed.

Dumbass.

Pay for the whole thing and leave.


I downed 6 fosters and waved my minardi hat every lap.

Yeeha.

Michelin sucks, France sucks, simple. The bridgestone teams played to the rules and Michelin didn't, they pushed for this rule to screw ferrari, and they got caught out.

-Charlie

It started out Michelin's fault, but I have to place the blame on whoever wouldn't allow the Bridgestone runeers to get all the points and put in the chicane (FIA I suppose). That would have been a perfectly acceptable answer to an extrodinary problem.

-Prince

[PrinceE30]

This comes down to the dumbest rule ever in motorsports. One set of tires for qualifying and the race. And its supposed to be less expensive?? Wasn't it Kimi that wrecked his car because he couldn't change tires??

Then Michelin is to blame as well. This is very bad for F1. It was nice having it here. Later.

Poor fucking fans (other than the assholes throwing shit on course) and drivers....

The teams have 1 tire to replace during the race in case of problems. The tire exploding on the McLaren car was McLaren's fault for not bringing the car in (I don't care if he was in 1st place at the time, driver safety is paramount).