The YAN-3 Fund.

[Ether-D]

Alright, I've thought about this for a few days while everybody else was yap-yap-yappin'.
Sketchy as the story sounds, the only fact worth anything is "innocent until proven guilty", and I'd like another t-shirt.
And locking the thread would be a bad idea.

I wish I was more like Yan. <t-shirt quote...

[travish325]

Free $2,000 and only outcome is losing your your admin/mod position on an internet website where you'll never see anyone face to face. Just say "I'll fix it" and make an elaborate story. Haven't we all seen this before? I didn't donate cause that's stupid, if I want to help someone I'll give them money directly not give my money to some random guy on the internet and trust him just cause he has a lot of posts lol Josh is stupid and any one who gave him money is equally as stupid. There's no way to prove it either way but common sense would have avoided this situation entirely.

[318isbmw]

Josh fucked up and is facing up to it and making it right. He may have taken a slightly different path to get to this point than some would but the important thing is hes doing something about it. Many would leave the community and do nothing. Ive done worse things in my early years and have paid a price and learned from it. I think this is Joshs turning point and Im willing to forgive and give the guy the chance he deserves. I really think his heart is in it and we should forgive and make josh prove himself I think he will do right

I agree 100%. Josh definitely made a mistake, but having made mistakes (just like everyone) we grow and learn from them. I think Josh did a great thing by stepping up and taking on a lot of responsibility for organizing it all. The outcome wasn't the way we all wanted(including Josh) but still, he stepped up when no one else did.

Yan, don't feel guilty at all. I can only speak for myself, but I definitely didn't donate for any other reason than to help out a member in need. If a T-shirt was made I would absolutely purchase one for myself, as well as my wife to help Yan out again.

[kickinindian]

Free $2,000 and only outcome is losing your your admin/mod position on an internet website where you'll never see anyone face to face. Just say "I'll fix it" and make an elaborate story. Haven't we all seen this before? I didn't donate cause that's stupid, if I want to help someone I'll give them money directly not give my money to some random guy on the internet and trust him just cause he has a lot of posts lol Josh is stupid and any one who gave him money is equally as stupid. There's no way to prove it either way but common sense would have avoided this situation entirely.

:jk::finger:
you didnt donate so why are you in here?

[bastianshaw]

good thread will make gf read

[chucktea]

good thread will make gf read

Haha I already told mine all the juicy details, and she ate it up!

I don't personally know Yan but from reading some of the things he wrote, I get the feeling he has an "all things happen for a reason" attitude and that he believes in some sort of karma in how all good and bad things come back around. Karma doesn't necessarily have to be brought back around by the "universe" though, so with help from people like on R3v you should take that as "good karma" because you are a good person that people want to help. I am fairly confident if you were a douche and Vlad messed up your paint then R3v would not have wanted to help you.

I don't know Yan either, but from reading all of his posts here and on s14.net, you can tell he is a definitely a strong faith in God (he mentions God numerous times in other replies). While I may have lost mine, it is refreshing to see someone whose faith makes them completely selfless and moral. Reading his posts are inspirational and make me want work harder at turning the other cheek. Thanks for that Yan.

[Mr. Burns]

I donated.

and I don't care for this thread anymore.

IMO, if Josh was going to rectify this, he would of by now.

it's $18XX
not $200K.

I perhaps hold a little bit of biased ambiguity due to the fact he had always been quite vocal and at times a little bit of a bully when it comes to OTHER people making mistakes online, whereas he's wasn't exactly practicing what he preached, from what I perceived online.

where i'm from, we call that being a hypocrite.

[dsphil]

I donated.

and I don't care for this thread anymore.

IMO, if Josh was going to rectify this, he would of by now.

it's $18XX
not $200K.

I perhaps hold a little bit of biased ambiguity due to the fact he had always been quite vocal and at times a little bit of a bully when it comes to OTHER people making mistakes online, whereas he's wasn't exactly practicing what he preached, from what I perceived online.

where i'm from, we call that being a hypocrite.

It is not just the donated amount. There are sponsors and advertisers contributions also went to this paypal as mentioned earlier by the site owner.

[Mr. Burns]

It is not just the donated amount. There are sponsors and advertisers contributions also went to this paypal as mentioned earlier by the site owner.

right.

so, isn't this, for lack of better words online fraud/theft?

sure it's all well and nice that he's still on the forum saying he'll "make it right" but this could of been made right, well...from the start of almost 3 years ago...to the day he posted his apology.

at the risk of beating a dead horse (and I know I am) this is something that wouldn't uphold itself quite well within a retail/real world setting.
the fact that we're online seems to give a tremendous amount of leniency on the matter that the "stolen" money is still unaccounted for yet the email is still quite active.

[phreshkid]

There is a reason why I bumped this thread.

And as far as I'm concerned, Josh never would have stepped up on his own. It took e-pressure to get him off his couch and address these allegations.

Not to mention, we've verified that his PayPal account wasn't inactive or deleted like he stated, so all records should still be accessible. I'd still like to know what happened to the money/where it went.

He may be withholding this information in an effort to minimize damage, and I get that from a human aspect, but damage has been done. Let's see the deets.

[Mr. Burns]

as far as I'm concerned, Josh never would have stepped up on his own. .

this times a million.
if you're gonna do something wrong, just don't get caught right?

well, time healed that nagging voice that would of morally made the average person want to step up to the plate and fess up the account was "hacked".

the absolute 1st thing a moral person could of done is publicly acknowledge this, once this was discovered.
Not forced so to speak by having to practically be called out on.

I honestly don't buy the "I'll make this right" and "I didn't know the money was gone" stories.
my 7 year old has better excuses.

He was a mod for quite sometime, quite active on this very board and maintained a trustworthy character/motive when looking to organize something good for Yan.

Watching that paypal account grow when the thread has gone silent, and when Yan himself SAID he was reluctant to even ASK for the money, hell why not conveniently have this $ disappear...with a "easy password" excuse...proclaim the email hasn't been used in forever, meanwhile Bluntech has invoices from January 2015 from this email.

There is no OTHER resource online that's as active as R3V. when it comes to the E30 game.
WHY leave it, when you're a moderator.

All too easy.

Janderson ripped me off. and many others too. it's that simple.

*for the record I have had money issue with another moderator on R3V, but we've talked it out and we infact DID come to fruition on the matter...he/we stepped up to the plate and both took ownership of it, Janderson is talking a lot here and there, yet squat has been done.

[Eric]

Yan, I never noticed you were in NoVa, this you?

Spotted last summer. On 66/495 or something.

Not Yan's car.

[Jand3rson]

The account is closed. If I try to log in to it, Paypal tells me they cannot find an account with that email address. You can still get invoices, and even pay with a credit or debit card when someone sends you a money request to a closed or non-existent account. I just tried it myself from my existing account, and I got an email at my gmail.com address that someone had requested funds.

However, this is not my point for posting today. My posting today is to try to start the process of rectifying this situation. People are right, I hid from this. This was the worst possible thing I could do, but I panicked, plain and simple. I didn't know what to do, and for whatever reason, didn't ask for help, and dug myself into this hole. I tried to run away from it, foolishly thinking it would just go away, even though I knew it wouldn't. And when I showed up in this thread, it wasn't because I had seen that phreskid had bumped it, it was because Yan himself had asked me to post.

To my next point. People have stated that "squat" has been done yet. Well, that's only because I don't currently have $1841.00 in my wallet or my bank account. If I did, Yan would have it already. But he will soon. I am selling my E30 and getting out of the E30 community for a while.

I want people to know that this is something I considered doing last year, in an effort to accomplish the same thing, but I backed myself out of it, likely from selfishness. I know now that I have to let this car go, for not only the purposes of getting Yan what he is entitled to, but to re-prioritize my life, and focus on my life and my family. I've spent the better part of a decade or more obsessed with this car, and it's not only taken precedence over my life and focus, but it's led up to this unfortunate event. This will be a milestone for me, and hopefully, some kind of gesture to the community that I have no other wish at this but to try and fix this the only way I can.

I don't really have much else to say, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

[2mAn]

I liked the idea of selling things like the wheels, so you dont have to sell the car. But its up to you.

[Jand3rson]

The car is the ultimate distraction in my life, and has been for years. I have to change, and this is how I have to do it. I have to at least try to fix this, and my life, because if I keep going this way forever, I'm going to be nothing but a guy with a kind-of nice car.