Why did BMW do this?

[VANOS714]

[Galactodactyl]

lol... this thread

[87e30]

GTFO Noob

The e30 m3 is like half a piece of a history... aren't the racing cars VERY different? Like redesigned tubular suspension in the back and built engines?

I think they are overpriced... but hey I've never driven one and I do love them.

[dinanm3atl]

GTFO Noob

The e30 m3 is like half a piece of a history... aren't the racing cars VERY different? Like redesigned tubular suspension in the back and built engines?

I think they are overpriced... but hey I've never driven one and I do love them.

Be careful if you drive one... cause you might not be as impressed and they won't hold the same level of awesomeness. Happened to me. They are damn nice to look at though. And no you are incorrect. Basically they took the de-tuned US E30 M3 and welded in a roll cage. Bam... most wins in sports car history. This is what really happened! lulz

[reelizmpro]

Lighter weight further back (handling) and high RPM stability/endurance are two main reasons. They had the M20 readily available in 2.0/2.3 form but they decided on the multivalve design and a 4 pot purpose built for this application. There's no question it was the right decision.

[Xat1cZ]

Be careful if you drive one... cause you might not be as impressed and they won't hold the same level of awesomeness. Happened to me. They are damn nice to look at though. And no you are incorrect. Basically they took the de-tuned US E30 M3 and welded in a roll cage. Bam... most wins in sports car history. This is what really happened! lulz

Are you sure that it wasn't a 316 with a bodykit, it seems like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference of the two so I'm curious

[dinanm3atl]

Are you sure that it wasn't a 316 with a bodykit, it seems like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference of the two so I'm curious

How would I not be able to tell the difference? I am in the US... so we did not get the 250hp and such E30 M3s. I have driven many E30 M3s here in the US. They drive and perform like a 325iS of similar condition. It's not worth the price of entry FOR ME. Also to note we didn't get 316s either so it couldn't have been one with a body kit. What I do know is I have way less into my M52 E30 and it is faster, stops better and handles better. I am lacking a cool wide body kit and a rear wing. Those items I can live without.

Don't get me wrong I understand appreciate their history. Love 80s DTM. However an 80s DTM car is NOT a US E30 M3. I always find it humorous when someone says something negative about the E30 m3 all the E30 guys get up in arms. Calm down. It's just my opinion. I am a performance guy. I love tracking my cars. The wide body, wing and a 190hp engine doesn't excite me. I'd rather have my swapped car with coilovers, sticky tires and cash in my pocket to run events.

[mikeedler]

And my slicktop 318is was a designed as a race car? You are wrong sir, the e30 M3 was designed as a race car first, especially the sport evo (note even higher front arches to run 18" rubber, brace cooling ducts instead of fog lights...). But my point was that why go to all the trouble of those weight saving techniques and not bother with the 10-15lbs of a sunroof in the worse place to have weight? I can see having a sunroof in a standard M3 but the 'hardcore' sport evo in my opinion should have been a slick top. Well, really they all should have been slick tops but they wouldn't have sold as well in the US without all the e30 options as standard.

you obviously didn't understand me. The car you are talking about was sold to the public for street use. The race cars had no sunroof. The people who had the money to buy a street evo III at the time didn't care about the "racing" 15lb. sunroof.

How would I not be able to tell the difference? I am in the US... so we did not get the 250hp and such E30 M3s. I have driven many E30 M3s here in the US. They drive and perform like a 325iS of similar condition. It's not worth the price of entry FOR ME. Also to note we didn't get 316s either so it couldn't have been one with a body kit. What I do know is I have way less into my M52 E30 and it is faster, stops better and handles better. I am lacking a cool wide body kit and a rear wing. Those items I can live without.

Don't get me wrong I understand appreciate their history. Love 80s DTM. However an 80s DTM car is NOT a US E30 M3. I always find it humorous when someone says something negative about the E30 m3 all the E30 guys get up in arms. Calm down. It's just my opinion. I am a performance guy. I love tracking my cars. The wide body, wing and a 190hp engine doesn't excite me. I'd rather have my swapped car with coilovers, sticky tires and cash in my pocket to run events.

sounds like a hater................ maybe one day you can afford to have a real e30 chassis and tune it too.








j/k, same reason I turbo'd my M tech II car.

[reelizmpro]

Don't get me wrong I understand appreciate their history. Love 80s DTM. However an 80s DTM car is NOT a US E30 M3. I always find it humorous when someone says something negative about the E30 m3 all the E30 guys get up in arms. Calm down. It's just my opinion. I am a performance guy. I love tracking my cars. The wide body, wing and a 190hp engine doesn't excite me. I'd rather have my swapped car with coilovers, sticky tires and cash in my pocket to run events.

This makes sense. It takes a lot more money today than it did back in the early 90's to make the S14 faster. Can't blame someone for opting for a swap. There are far better options out there today if someone just wanted to build a fast E30 that could easily be replaced or reproduced if something happened. I would not track an E30 M3 for those reasons...not anymore.

[InuFaye]

To say FUCK YOU! to the M20.

this.

[Anguz]

To say FUCK YOU! to the M20.

ahh slammin at its best. ;)

[Brian D]

Sorry, I'm a fan of the S14 and its capabilities. I think an S14 in a lighter chassis would be a monster. The M3 is quite a heavy car, but that engine in a humble 2002 would be super quick.

FTFY.

[Xat1cZ]

How would I not be able to tell the difference? I am in the US... so we did not get the 250hp and such E30 M3s. I have driven many E30 M3s here in the US. They drive and perform like a 325iS of similar condition. It's not worth the price of entry FOR ME. Also to note we didn't get 316s either so it couldn't have been one with a body kit. What I do know is I have way less into my M52 E30 and it is faster, stops better and handles better. I am lacking a cool wide body kit and a rear wing. Those items I can live without.

Don't get me wrong I understand appreciate their history. Love 80s DTM. However an 80s DTM car is NOT a US E30 M3. I always find it humorous when someone says something negative about the E30 m3 all the E30 guys get up in arms. Calm down. It's just my opinion. I am a performance guy. I love tracking my cars. The wide body, wing and a 190hp engine doesn't excite me. I'd rather have my swapped car with coilovers, sticky tires and cash in my pocket to run events.

190hp isn't enough for me either, nor the 212hp that my model came with, that's why I put a 3.8 in it.. however, the car came with a M30B35 engine when I bought it at 80k KM's so it was an easy decision on whether or not I should swap it or not, if the car would've had the 2,3 it would have been a much tougher decision... And I didn't just buy a S14 because what would that honestly give me? the car would just end up pulling a little slower than before, and I'd just be left longing to tear the engine down and tune it to atleast 260 hp NA.....

so I can easily understand your point, but to me anyone can buy a set of coilovers , turbo and/or Sxx engine off ebay and put it in their regular E30 and make it faster than a stock E30 M3, but to me, a nice M3 will always be more worth than a regular E30 and I'm not just talking money.

[shaferbm]

homologation so it could run in Group A Touring Car racing.

This. Nice try jerk.

[dinanm3atl]

sounds like a hater................ maybe one day you can afford to have a real e30 chassis and tune it too.

j/k, same reason I turbo'd my M tech II car.

Maybe but I like my current stable just fine. V8 X5. M52 w/ S52 Cams E30 + 6 Speed. Turbo E36 M3. Don't need nor do I want an E30 M3 :)

190hp isn't enough for me either, nor the 212hp that my model came with, that's why I put a 3.8 in it.. however, the car came with a M30B35 engine when I bought it at 80k KM's so it was an easy decision on whether or not I should swap it or not, if the car would've had the 2,3 it would have been a much tougher decision... And I didn't just buy a S14 because what would that honestly give me? the car would just end up pulling a little slower than before, and I'd just be left longing to tear the engine down and tune it to atleast 260 hp NA.....

so I can easily understand your point, but to me anyone can buy a set of coilovers , turbo and/or Sxx engine off ebay and put it in their regular E30 and make it faster than a stock E30 M3, but to me, a nice M3 will always be more worth than a regular E30 and I'm not just talking money.

Well you swapped your E30 M3... because it's just not great stock. Sure it's fun but so is an ETA. It's an E30 and offers the same feel from the driver's seat. So I see everyone rave but then a lot of people swap the motor anyways. Then it really wakes up.

Now for me, again this is an opinion, the looks and history is not worth it. I can appreciate the history and what it means in the auto world. Doesn't mean I it makes me want it. Plenty of people raced Non-M E30s as well. Shoot my ChumpCar team is racing an ETA.