Possible Trade? 1987 Mercedes 190E 2.3 16V Cosworth

[BergerNJ]

Lots of comments in here about prices, but truth is; apart from a few examples, these are still "cheap" cars. My old car posted above was sold for $5k late last year with new suspension, euro lights, the AMG wheels, and only 170k miles. Searching Craigslist will pull these cars up constantly in the $25-3500 range. And sure, there may be a number of ads asking 6-10k, but that certainly doesn't mean they sell for that amount.

Your friends car looks like a fairly solid example, albeit with high mileage. His asking price is probably a fair value for the car, though the east-coast market for these is somewhat weak.

I've passed the compliments and remarks on to my friend. He would keep it but already has a stable of 5 cars plus he and I swap regularly.... so that makes 10. I have a lot of seat time in it and can vouch for how well it drives. It's the bargain E30 M3 that's currently off everyone's radar.

the car is off the radar....this car has a genuine bloodline that just doesn't hold the respect it deserves...give it time. Also, the euro e30 m3 has a dog leg.....

This car is just as cool as the e30 m3.....albeit a 4 door...I think it looks just as bad ass...I saw one in person not too long ago, debadged and I didn't mind the 4 doors.

[Snitch]

That ding on the fender near the A pillar......might as well part the car out.

Ya even with that ding its worth 10k plus now. A clean E30 is what 2,500-3,500 tops.

[Xat1cZ]

Ya even with that ding its worth 10k plus now. A clean E30 is what 2,500-3,500 tops.

What is the troll doing on this forum?

[pawi30]

Is this still for sale? and the pics don't work anymore.

[reelizmpro]

Come on now, these cars are as old as E30's and you think people don't know about them? There's a reason they are "off the radar" lol. I've been on 190revolution for years now so yes I do know about them. I am a fan of the car but even those guys admit the M3 is better. 192HP (210HP with chip) , DME, ITBs, less weight, rack/pinion, better aftermarket, etc. vs 167HP US spec, mechanical injection, more weight, self leveling suspension garbage, recirculating ball steering, etc. virtually no aftermarket. You can say it's a nicer car or it looks better but that's subjective. If people think the stock M3 with S14 is slow, just imagine the 190 2.3_16.

[MattAvino]

Ya even with that ding its worth 10k plus now. A clean E30 is what 2,500-3,500 tops.

regular E30s gets compared to the regular W201 190s (same price range)

e30 M3 gets compared to 190e 16v cosworth (again, same price range)

[tjts1]

All 190s except for the 16v and a few diesel fanatics are essentially $1000 cars. 16v is great but the 2.6 manual makes a better daily driver for a whole lot less money and you're not stuck buying a pre 88 car. Good luck finding one though. All of these cars respond extremely well to EFI/MSQ.

[reelizmpro]

What's funny is you can actually compare the 2.3_16 to the cost of a clean regular E30. I've seen both around the same prices.

[Emre]

No doubt the 2.3-16 is a highly undervalued car for what it is. Then again, the E30 M3 is actually rather undervalued as well. Have you priced an Escort RS Cosworth, Porsche 964 RS, Renault R5 Turbo, Pug 205 Turbo 16, or Lancia Delta HF Integrale lately?

As far as homologation specials go, both the 16v and M3 sold in massive numbers. The E30 M3 has been more popular with track junkies here in the USA at least partly because there were tons of them available and prices have been very low. We got very few 16v's in the USA, but they sold well in Europe. You see plenty of 16v's at European track events, competing in hillclimbs, and running in various race series (including the VLN and ADAC races at the 'Ring).

So don't dismiss the 16v just because Americans haven't figured them out yet. Hell, you can buy a Peugeot 405 Mi16 for $1500 in this country. I for one am glad Americans know so little about the cars we love. Otherwise, guys like you and I couldn't afford to fill our garages with them.

[Snitch]

regular E30s gets compared to the regular W201 190s (same price range)

e30 M3 gets compared to 190e 16v cosworth (again, same price range)

Not true, E30 M3 compares to 190E 2.5-16v EURO.
And if you want to get into it, then how about the EVO 1 and 2? They are priced very similar to E30 M3 and have 235 BHP.

What's funny is you can actually compare the 2.3_16 to the cost of a clean regular E30. I've seen both around the same prices.

Thats a lie. A completely perfect 2.3-16v is 15-20k+, one that is borderline project car like mine was, is around 8-10k. I have seen standard 2.6 Sportlines for more than an E30.

And no I am not a troll, just cant stand how every one bags on MBZ.

[tjts1]

God damn it snitch.

[MattAvino]

And no I am not a troll, just cant stand how every one bags on MBZ.

Uhhh we dont.....

I love all sorts of Benz's, as do a lot of people on this forum.













YOU E30 HAYTER!

[reelizmpro]

Not true, E30 M3 compares to 190E 2.5-16v EURO.
And if you want to get into it, then how about the EVO 1 and 2? They are priced very similar to E30 M3 and have 235 BHP.



Thats a lie. A completely perfect 2.3-16v is 15-20k+, one that is borderline project car like mine was, is around 8-10k. I have seen standard 2.6 Sportlines for more than an E30.

And no I am not a troll, just cant stand how every one bags on MBZ.

Excuse me, the M3 is also a 2.3_16 so why are you comparing it to the EURO 2.5_16? I don't lie. Like I said before, I've been on 190rev for years and I have my ear to the ground. 15-20K?...sorry. A quick google search backs up my claims....

http://mbworld.org/forums/190e-w201/...3-16-sale.html $9000 (Does it get much better than this?)
http://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-v...-16-valve.html $5300 which was reduced to $3500
http://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-v...ed-manual.html $10,900 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $3800 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $2000 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $6500
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $5500 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $4500 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 $5500 OBO
http://190rev.net/forums/showthread....&highlight=2.3 Haltech, ITBs, etc...$9500 OBO
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale...ing-2-3-a.html $2100 OBO

It goes on and on... I only found that one car advertised for 10,900OBO and who knows what it actually sold for.
These are asking prices for enthusiast cars too.

http://bringatrailer.com/2009/07/07/...edes-190e-16v/ 74k miles! Sold for $10K a few years back.

These are nowhere close to M3 prices and more like clean E30 325i prices.

This article compares the two side by side...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5525195-JD%E2%80%99s-archives-E30-BMW-M3-vs.-Mercedes-Benz-190E-2.3-16v-AM

[Tisoc]

Not true, E30 M3 compares to 190E 2.5-16v EURO.
And if you want to get into it, then how about the EVO 1 and 2? They are priced very similar to E30 M3 and have 235 BHP.



Thats a lie. A completely perfect 2.3-16v is 15-20k+, one that is borderline project car like mine was, is around 8-10k. I have seen standard 2.6 Sportlines for more than an E30.

And no I am not a troll, just cant stand how every one bags on MBZ.

Stop generalizing; not all of us bag on Mercedes. I for one am quite fond of the 190e. My old man owns a 2.6 5 speed, & I think it's a pretty mighty fucking awesome car. :hitler:

[CrusherCurtis]

e30>w201. Doesn't the cosworth make like 185hp. Willing to wager a 325i sedan would take one around a track.