Help ordering my BC Coilovers

[acolella76]

I'll go with GC. Same set up, 10k/12k.

Is it basically the same install?

Good :)

Well you have a few options with GC. You can either buy them with shortened housings, have them shorten your housings, or shorten your own housings. Or don't shorten them at all, it is up to you. I would give the guys at GC a call, they really know their stuff, and have great customer service.

[dinanm3atl]

I personally prefer Yellow DPS when it comes to coilovers. If I have to settle because I cannot overnight the Yellow DPS I will only then go with CX Racing.

[Massimo]

^
I see what you did there.

Personelly I only go Motion or Penske products

[dinanm3atl]

^
I see what you did there.

Personelly I only go Motion or Penske products

Motion Control Suspension BMW E46 2-Way by Halston Pitman | MotorSportMedia, on Flickr


Motion Control Suspension BMW E36 3-Way Rear Coilover by Halston Pitman | MotorSportMedia, on Flickr


Motion Control Suspension BMW E36 3-Way Rear Coilover by Halston Pitman | MotorSportMedia, on Flickr

[acolella76]

Motion Control > *



But I am not biased.

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Who here realizes that BC makes coilovers for 80% of the market?
BC racing supplies Ksport, Megan, DPS, and multiple other companies with struts and bodies. The springs can be special ordered per what Ksport wants for the coilovers but the dampening and all is done by BC.
HSD (HD systems, supplies ARK, Stance, and a few other companies) with coilovers. BC is primarily made in Taiwan, HSD is a Korean brand but i'm not 100% certain who supplies their struts or if they make their own.
The European companies make great coilovers because they actually take the time to do it right. Koni, Bilstein, Moton, and such make amazing setups, but they're really not meant for stance or drift.
Bilstein, Penske, and Moton are my top three choices for full race coilovers.
Drifters literally do not need a name brand coilover to put the car sideways and keep it there, that's also the case with stancing a car. It's got a lot more to do with stiff springs than it does with suspension travel, control, and $$.
Sticky front tires, shitty rear tires, and a stiff suspension can keep you sideways and under control. Just get something cheap, stick with the spring length they give you, i'm not sure if you can adjust the spring preload but if you can that'd be awesome. Go with 10/12 and you'll be happy.

[Massimo]

Who here realizes that BC makes coilovers for 80% of the market?
BC racing supplies Ksport, Megan, DPS, and multiple other companies with struts and bodies. The springs can be special ordered per what Ksport wants for the coilovers but the dampening and all is done by BC.
HSD (HD systems, supplies ARK, Stance, and a few other companies) with coilovers. BC is primarily made in Taiwan, HSD is a Korean brand but i'm not 100% certain who supplies their struts or if they make their own.
The European companies make great coilovers because they actually take the time to do it right. Koni, Bilstein, Moton, and such make amazing setups, but they're really not meant for stance or drift.
Bilstein, Penske, and Moton are my top three choices for full race coilovers.
Drifters literally do not need a name brand coilover to put the car sideways and keep it there, that's also the case with stancing a car. It's got a lot more to do with stiff springs than it does with suspension travel, control, and $$.
Sticky front tires, shitty rear tires, and a stiff suspension can keep you sideways and under control. Just get something cheap, stick with the spring length they give you, i'm not sure if you can adjust the spring preload but if you can that'd be awesome. Go with 10/12 and you'll be happy.

Untill you are sideways at 60mph and the rear shocks blow the car starts bouncing, you loose it and go strait into a tree. Yeh cheap is good for drifting. lol

[acolella76]

Who here realizes that BC makes coilovers for 80% of the market?
BC racing supplies Ksport, Megan, DPS, and multiple other companies with struts and bodies. The springs can be special ordered per what Ksport wants for the coilovers but the dampening and all is done by BC.
HSD (HD systems, supplies ARK, Stance, and a few other companies) with coilovers. BC is primarily made in Taiwan, HSD is a Korean brand but i'm not 100% certain who supplies their struts or if they make their own.
The European companies make great coilovers because they actually take the time to do it right. Koni, Bilstein, Moton, and such make amazing setups, but they're really not meant for stance or drift.
Bilstein, Penske, and Moton are my top three choices for full race coilovers.
Drifters literally do not need a name brand coilover to put the car sideways and keep it there, that's also the case with stancing a car. It's got a lot more to do with stiff springs than it does with suspension travel, control, and $$.
Sticky front tires, shitty rear tires, and a stiff suspension can keep you sideways and under control. Just get something cheap, stick with the spring length they give you, i'm not sure if you can adjust the spring preload but if you can that'd be awesome. Go with 10/12 and you'll be happy.

I can tell that you are one of the 90% with no credibility that I referred to earlier in this thread

[keefy6]

I say get what you want and can afford, it's your car in the end. everyone has a preference regardless if the quality may or may not be comparable to another brand. it is your money and IMO unless someone has purchased multiple brands of suspension setups, installed them and tested them vigorously under the same standard (i.e., racing, daily driving, long trips, etc.,) with verifiable data to differentiate then that opinion is worth any other..

[dinanm3atl]

Oh my lord where to start here...

Who here realizes that BC makes coilovers for 80% of the market?
BC racing supplies Ksport, Megan, DPS, and multiple other companies with struts and bodies. The springs can be special ordered per what Ksport wants for the coilovers but the dampening and all is done by BC.
HSD (HD systems, supplies ARK, Stance, and a few other companies) with coilovers. BC is primarily made in Taiwan, HSD is a Korean brand but i'm not 100% certain who supplies their struts or if they make their own.

A lot going on here but what you are saying is BC makes these coilovers and then sells them for more than the others. Except they offer the same valving? So why buy BC if you can get CX Racing for 650? Why spend 1K? That doesn't make sense.

Further you are admitting these are all just generic parts that fit your vehicle. BC Racing got an E30 and figured out dampening? And then they, in all their R&D, offer the same front to rear spring rates. Their base kit offers 6kg springs front and rear. That is 336lb springs. You do realize you lose ~50% rear rates so your effective wheel rates are 330ish and 165ish. That is absolutely terrible. Let me know how well that kind of setup works on an E30. This also assumes their top notch QC process catches their their springs actually have the advertised rate. They claim to replace a strut for ~100 dollars... TCKline sells a pair of springs for that much. You do the math on the quality here.

These are generic parts that fit the applications.

The European companies make great coilovers because they actually take the time to do it right. Koni, Bilstein, Moton, and such make amazing setups, but they're really not meant for stance or drift.

Many of those companies have been making kits since the cars were new. They actually do research and offer a product that not only fits but is designed for the car. Not quite sure what you mean when they are not meant for Stance or Drift. A quality coillover is a quality coilover. Drifting is a motorsport and if you think for a second a drifter running on K-Sports/BC/Yellow DPS and whatever wouldn't move up to a set of custom Motion Control/JRZ/Ohlins/Etc you are crazy. They would in a heartbeat! Having something that you know is going to work at the point it is advertised for is something that is VERY important in motorsports.

Bilstein, Penske, and Moton are my top three choices for full race coilovers.
Drifters literally do not need a name brand coilover to put the car sideways and keep it there, that's also the case with stancing a car. It's got a lot more to do with stiff springs than it does with suspension travel, control, and $$.

This is the craziest claim here. You do not need a name brand coilover to compete? What does that even mean? You realize how the suspension operates and performs is more a function of the shock/strut and the dampening than the spring rate correct? That shock controls the spring oscillations. It is far more important. If this is true why wouldn't you just get some 30 dollar Meyle inserts, cut the spring mount and put 1000lb springs on it... you'll be less than 500 dollars in and be drift ready! Report back about how it rides and handles.

Sure you can toss anything on and clutch kick any car but you realize that every circuit is not perfectly smooth and having a properly operating suspension that you can tune is VERY important.

Sticky front tires, shitty rear tires, and a stiff suspension can keep you sideways and under control. Just get something cheap, stick with the spring length they give you, i'm not sure if you can adjust the spring preload but if you can that'd be awesome. Go with 10/12 and you'll be happy.

WHAT?!?!?!

OK maybe the previous was not the craziest thing. Putting 'shitty rear tires' on the back of a drift car is something that happens in the grassroots world. Why? They simply cannot afford to be running quality tires. You go to a Formula Drift event and look at the tires they are running. You will see Azenis RT615K, Hankook RS3 and the like. They will be on the FRONT and the REAR. A quality tire is predictable. That is what you want. You don't want a shit tire that will just light up and spin away.


This is just crazy. Lordy.

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I can tell that you are one of the 90% with no credibility that I referred to earlier in this thread

Do you race cars? No? I put suspensions to the test every weekend.


Edit:

Only experience I have is with grassroots, road racing, and LeMons. Suspensions for grassroots is basically the cheap shit. You get what you can afford and adjust your driving as per the car. Obviously if you're aiming to buy BC racing coilovers you're not able to buy the more expensive, baller shit. BC makes a decent product, i'm not saying it's not bad. The valving can be car specific, but more than likely it's more generic because when i called them they told me I could put 8 or 10kgs springs on a set of dampers without getting them revalved because they have a leway (not sure if this is the proper term, I just spent the last 48 hours driving to, from, and racing at the track).
I'm not telling you to cheap out on your car, i'm telling you you won't feel the difference of the two spring rates you're trying to choose from unless you try them both, drift on them both, and put them to the test. I went through Hypercoil, stock springs, and Eibach springs before I chose a set I liked. I run no front sway, Hoosier R6's in 245 40 17 and I put down decently quick lap times considering what I have to work with. I race a LeMons Festiva, building an E30 for DD, and pretty much have more track time in RWD, FWD and AWD than i'd like to try and calculate.
Do I cheap out on suspension components? Fuck no.. But I don't drift or do I go for stanced cars.




This is the craziest claim here. You do not need a name brand coilover to compete? What does that even mean? You realize how the suspension operates and performs is more a function of the shock/strut and the dampening than the spring rate correct? That shock controls the spring oscillations. It is far more important. If this is true why wouldn't you just get some 30 dollar Meyle inserts, cut the spring mount and put 1000lb springs on it... you'll be less than 500 dollars in and be drift ready! Report back about how it rides and handles.

Sure you can toss anything on and clutch kick any car but you realize that every circuit is not perfectly smooth and having a properly operating suspension that you can tune is VERY important.


I hate drifting.. it's style points. You're not out there for lap times, you're there to look cool and burn rubber. I am mistaken here though, from every drift car i've been in or driven, which isn't a professional drift car by any means, the suspensions have such little play in them I don't understand how they're able to get away with it.

[sharky]

I want to chime in that I have used and installed BC's in many customers e36's , e39's and e46's and all including myself have been extremely happy with them. Hell I even became a dealer because for 1k shipped the product is excellent for a street car.

[dinanm3atl]

Do you race cars? No? I put suspensions to the test every weekend.

Yet you say the shock is not really important for drifting... just throw on really stiff springs? Digging a deeper hole friend.

[acolella76]

Do you race cars? No? I put suspensions to the test every weekend.

Because you do something often doesn't mean you are good at it. It's pretty evident that you don't know what you're talking about.

I assemble shocks at Motion Control Suspension, which as you may or may not know used to be 'Moton' until the Moton name was bought out by AST. I work for people who have designed suspensions for cars that won the FIA World GT, WTCC, and several other touring car championships.

Do you build suspensions for one of the best suspension companies in the world? No? I build these suspensions every day.

I want to chime in that I have used and installed BC's in many customers e36's , e39's and e46's and all including myself have been extremely happy with them. Hell I even became a dealer because for 1k shipped the product is excellent for a street car.

I don't think the REAL argument is the quality overall of BC, but the quality vs the dollar value. Why pay 1k for something when you can buy the same product for a lot less? I would totally roll on some BC... but for $1k I can find something better.

[Massimo]

lol troll