Spun out in the snow today...

[Bimmerman325i]

LOL at Californians thinking they know how to drive in snow. The drivers around me suck enough in rain, I don't want to imagine them in snow.

[325ix]

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I drove my brother's vert home when he took it to church with almost bald summer tires. Had an ice storm and he would not drive it. I turned a 25min trip into an hour, but made it safely.

You spun out on a flat road with 50% remaining on ALL seasons in .5" of snow. The e30 is not to blame.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. Driving in the snow is harder than dry, obviously but, if you take your time you'll be fine. It's the ice that gets you.

[semaj4712]

My car turns and stops just fine in snow. I think it was a retarded generalization to say that AWD isn't going to turn well, it totally depends on the car, and if no car is going to stop on a tractionless surface, then why single out AWD? Sounds retarded to me.

Some cars are going to have a much better chance in those situations/environments, however.

And get the cock out of your ass, you're getting all worked up. Typical r3vtard.

When in Socal have you drivin in bad snow? Do you go up to Big Bear on the regular?

[DrJosh]

I read just fine, you are a fucking idiot.

[F34R]

How did this turn into a dick measuring contest? Oh wait... It's R3V.
No it was not A SHIT LOAD of snow. It was just more then my piece of shit driving could handle. All season tires with 50% tread did not belong in those conditions. If I had known it would snow I would have never taken that car up there in the first place.

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I drove my brother's vert home when he took it to church with almost bald summer tires. Had an ice storm and he would not drive it. I turned a 25min trip into an hour, but made it safely.

You spun out on a flat road with 50% remaining on ALL seasons in .5" of snow. The e30 is not to blame.





you mad bro? yes you are...erase it before some sees!

[nando]

yeah, E30 ABS isn't over zealous. if you're careful you can still threshold brake without ABS interfering. And generally, if it does come on you're probably doing something wrong. It's also useful for slalom sections on slippery/wet courses with left-foot braking.

[u3b3rg33k]

Our ford exploder does the same thing - I once parked straddling a parking lot planter because one wheel hit the oil slick in the space at about 5mph.

Worst. ABS. EVAR.

The only reason I leave the ABS in the e30 alone is it doesn't bother me - it rarely ever runs, and even while ice racing it doesn't interfere - it clicks just enough to keep the wheels from locking, where in other vehicles it buzzes for seconds. I just about match the e30's ABS on the glare ice section of the winter driving school by threshold braking, whereas in the exploder I can beat it by 30'. 30' !!

[ieatpeople]

Subaru is known for having crappy ABS - everyone I know that ice-x/rally-x one pulls the ABS fuse so they can actually stop. e30 BOSCH abs FTW.

i have a friend that pulls the abs, traction control, and stability control fuses/relays on every car he owns, because of that very reason.

we were driving his 94 caravan in 6" of snow, and he stood on the brakes. the abs kicked in, and it took about 300ft to stop from 35mph. he pulled the abs fuse, and repeated the manuever. it stopped in about 60ft.

he also has a '10 yaris, and with the stability control on, it fights the driver when going around offramps at high speeds. it tries to "correct", even though the car is still well under control, and has almost caused him to hit the outside guardrail a few times. when he disabled it, he could take the same ramp, with the same tires almost 15mph faster with no issues.


i only have one car with tc/sc/abs (my truck), and i just leave it on unless its time to get slideways in the snow.

[u3b3rg33k]

how about $400 for a set of snow tires? costco has a $100 off coupon right now.

Dont have to drive in the snow enough. Spend most of my time at the coast. But I will definitely have the right equipment next time I go some where snowy.

Solution:

http://www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11899&group=1.02&name=Nokian+WRG2

4 season snow tires. I'm told they're about 90% as good as the real deal.

Forgot who it was, but I thought I read on here that a RWD car with snow tires will do better than an AWD car with all-seasons. Any truth behind that?

plenty - grip is king, so aside from off the line, where 4/AWD makes a big difference, low power maneuvers will always prefer snow tires over no-seasons, regardless of the driven wheel/s.

Yes and no. On average, the AWD car will still have more go and be easier to drive (aka, mashing the pedal like a retard won't kick that tail out). On the other hand, the AWD car won't stop for shit on most a/s tires and it won't turn either.

I love love love watching SUV drivers think that AWD = godmode.

LOL what does AWD have to do with how will a car will stop.

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

Old fashioned locking systems force all wheels to turn at the same speed, which hurts stopping distance - I'm thinking mostly of old/modded trucks with lockers and transfer cases.

Very little*. Which is why you see lots of SUVs overturned in ditches when it snows.

* Obviously which wheels are driven does impact the off throttle characteristics of the car.

Not really with open diffs/torsens - absolutely with diff-less transfer cases / LSDs

Hai guise
LSD, shitty all seasons and I never got stuck/spun out/r3v'd once. There's nothing better for winter driving than driving in a smart, cautious manner...

A torsen and snow tires gets me around a corner, and uphill through a corn field in a foot of snow- so I say screw all-seasons.

I think AWD can stop faster if you downshift in 2nd or 1st gear depending on how quick your going, when i had my 97 subaru legacy 5 speed it slowed down quicker if i downshifted instead of hitting the abs brakes when i was going 20+mph but as far as going up hill/starting off the AWD beats any front wheel or rear wheel drive hands down. All the suvs you see in ditches is just dumb ass drivers.

Subaru is known for having crappy ABS - everyone I know that ice-x/rally-x one pulls the ABS fuse so they can actually stop. e30 BOSCH abs FTW.

[DisgustipatedAP1]

LOL indeed. That must have been over your head for you to make such a comment. You should refrain from commenting on things like this or you'll end up looking like a dumb ass all of the time.


Ahhh, better now.

My car turns and stops just fine in snow. I think it was a retarded generalization to say that AWD isn't going to turn well, it totally depends on the car, and if no car is going to stop on a tractionless surface, then why single out AWD? Sounds retarded to me.

Some cars are going to have a much better chance in those situations/environments, however.

And get the cock out of your ass, you're getting all worked up. Typical r3vtard.

[ieatpeople]

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

it still works. i try to slow down early enough that i wouldn't need to use it, but i did a 40mph panic stop in 6" of snow (just to see how it would react) and the abs stopped it just fine, hard enough to lock the seatbelts.

[bataangpinoy]

there is alot to be said about being able to learn and practice car control in a controlled environment.

crashing is inevtiable, we all wil at some point. but seat time in those conditions is what really determines how soon lol

[TurboJake]

I laughed SO HARD from this...classes? snicker

I know alot of you have zero idea how to drive in snow or how to predict how the road will be ice or not.
I just have moved around alot and seen how people react to snow. Like they are just scared of 3" of snow, where in NY we are used to shoveling out 2-3' of snow to get to work.
This is so true(I love seeing tourists in ditches):

You and the image are forgetting the .01% up here. :D

[lambo]

i have a 4wd truck with snow tires.

acceleration: vast improvement over stock a/s
braking: night and day difference over stock, but still nowhere near as good as dry pavement.
turning: it does turn better, but i definitely wouldn't call it great.


i have noticed that when i have it in 4wd, it stops much straighter in the snow than when in 2wd. someone mentioned that this is due to the fact that all wheels are driven at the same speed, and it is impossible to lock up just 1 or 2 tires. i would most definitely agree.

truck is a 2010 silverado 4wd, factory rear lsd, factory elec. locking diff in the front, and the transfer case is a fixed 50/50 split.

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

[ieatpeople]

i have a 4wd truck with snow tires.

acceleration: vast improvement over stock a/s
braking: night and day difference over stock, but still nowhere near as good as dry pavement.
turning: it does turn better, but i definitely wouldn't call it great.


i have noticed that when i have it in 4wd, it stops much straighter in the snow than when in 2wd. someone mentioned that this is due to the fact that all wheels are driven at the same speed, and it is impossible to lock up just 1 or 2 tires. i would most definitely agree.

truck is a 2010 silverado 4wd, factory rear lsd, factory elec. locking diff in the front, and the transfer case is a fixed 50/50 split.