George Graves and his volt meters

[z31maniac]

I know GG outside the forums and I've been friends with him for longer than most of you have known who he is. He is not being malicious. He is not stealing your money. As someone else said, he has other means of income and responsibilities. It's not unlike my splitters I make. They don't effect my income, I run a repair shop everyday with 3 employees, I have a pregnant wife and 3 step children. An $85 sale is important to me but its on the smallest end of the scale and sometimes things get in the way.
Step out of your boxes and give him a chance. He will come through or give you guys something else in return for your money.
Keep at it George. Good luck!

I don't want to pile on..............but it's bullshit and you know it.

A few weeks, maybe a month...........but 1 year later and the guy is so strapped he can't issue a refund and disappears for months at a time? How can you operate a business and not have $1k in cash to take care of unforeseen issues?

I'm sorry if George is operating outside of his ability to take care of things financially, but that should not be everyone elses problem.

Seriously, 1 year. That's beyond fucking ridiculous.

[Holland]

I will stand neutral in my opinions on the matter, but the bottom line is this:

Banning GG will not give customers product or refund.

[cholyoke]

I'm not worried about the volt meter being delivered. I'm sure George will get them sent at some point since he has always delivered in the past. I'm paying for a specialty product made for my 27 year old POS eta that has nothing to do with basic function. I am willing to wait.

I've waited for other custom things made by people on this forum and have never been disappointed. Maybe I am too mellow about these things.

[diegom6]

:up:

[Farbin Kaiber]

^You forgot, the to the majority of baggypants'ers, $100 = ~$1000's. It's like two weeks pay at Subway.

[agent]

If all you guys who ponied up for this product were all out hundreds or thousands of dollars EACH, I could more easily accept and understand your vitriol.

Earandil, your posts in this thread are articulate, sensible and well thought out. Very nice to see amongst all the piling on.

[M3 Ryan]

I know GG outside the forums and I've been friends with him for longer than most of you have known who he is. He is not being malicious. He is not stealing your money. As someone else said, he has other means of income and responsibilities. It's not unlike my splitters I make. They don't effect my income, I run a repair shop everyday with 3 employees, I have a pregnant wife and 3 step children. An $85 sale is important to me but its on the smallest end of the scale and sometimes things get in the way.
Step out of your boxes and give him a chance. He will come through or give you guys something else in return for your money.
Keep at it George. Good luck!

[tonerrrr]

GO George GO!

Get it GG! I think you guys fail to realize the scale of what Vlad did in lying and other shady practices (blaming a shipping company, driving someone's car to a meet etc.) < this is not what GG did so you're comparing apples to oranges.

GG messed up, it's obvious... Yet, he is getting shit done from what it looks like. I know there are other "one man business" forum members who just dropped off the face of the earth when they screwed people over, not GG as of yet.

Dealing with vendors for supplies sucks, not many people know this, I do with the type of work I'm in. GG, I hope you learned a lot from this, people do not care about your problems when you have their money. Good luck buddy!

[ak-]

GO George GO!

[george graves]

Getting closer

[ninjaotter]

Having purchased from George. Quality of his products is top notch, but as others have said this is not a good situation.

Refunds should be given and development on this product should be abandoned (unless supply and cost situation is worked out to allow stocking the units before sale). Just my thoughts as a previous small business owner with an original product for the mustang community. Time to visit the pawn shop to pay these people back. I've never had to do that, but would not be too proud to do so in order to make it right with my customers.

Just my .02. I would hate to see George banned though. He makes excellent products and genuinely cares about the e30 community. This situation was just mishandled from a business perspective. Again IMO.

I agree, except on the abandoning development part. I love GG's products. I have 3 of his G Gauges and they are truly amazing pieces of hardware. This situation sucks, and was totally mishandled from the get go. Banning George probably causes more harm then good though, as this is his primary method of communication with his customers.

I would say that him fulfilling his obligations is the only way he should stay a member here. If, in a few months (and that's being generous), no progress has been made, or George falls off the map again, I would say banning him is in order. Which would be terrible, since I think he makes some truly innovative products. I also think he needs to come up with a way to give some refunds to those who want it, at least partially. George, if you have some old tools you would like to sell, hit me up! I could use a variable DC power supply, an oscilloscope, and a solder reflow oven, if you happen to have one kicking around.

And George, if you need some help with these, I'm happy to pitch in! I'm in Washington as well and can wield a mean soldering iron. Heck, I'm happy to just sit and test LED's all day, I've done it before for college projects, and I can do it again. If nothing else, release your plans and let the community help you! I know myself and others would be happy to pitch in and get these things designed, tested, and built.

[pmat]

I hope george will be able to start pumping these out pretty quickly and reliably, because i would love to have one.

[Earendil]

we now know who your sleeping with......... Maybe you should be banned for thinking it is O.K. to take 1500 dollars from forum members and lead them along for a YEAR!

on the other side, NICE to see your working on it GG!

Like what this thread needs is more attacking
If you can find where I said that taking $1500 in exchange for a product, and delivering neither product nor refund is "okay", then I would suggest you quote THAT, instead of putting words in my mouth.

Let me quote myself
"But just because the situation is ridiculous and unfortunate, does not make the man evil."

I stand by that. Perhaps my world view and experience is a little more broad than yours, and I don't see the world as black and white. All current indications are that he will deliver the product, just not in the expected time frame. Not delivering in the time frame sucks, but from where I'm standing banning him would suck a lot more IMHO.

[mikeedler]

Positive: No one gets screwed by him again? This is hardly a guarantee, and since he hasn't shown a pattern of evil intent, I'm inclined to give him a second chance.

No one will make YOU give him a second chance, but I'd personally like to give him a second chance in the future. In fact, I fully expect that no one directly involved in this ordeal will be his customers again, and no one expects or is asking you to be. But the REST of us have had nothing but pleasant dealings. If this were eBay, he's be sitting at a 99.5% rating. In fact, the more I roll this over, the more I'm going to be pissed if GG is banned. Why? Because at this point GG has shown no intent to harm the community, so if he gets banned it'll be for the sake of a few people's revenge. As soon as GG starts showing a pattern of not shipping products I would expect that he would close up shop on his own, but if he doesn't than he deserves the ban at that point.

we now know who your sleeping with......... Maybe you should be banned for thinking it is O.K. to take 1500 dollars from forum members and lead them along for a YEAR!

on the other side, NICE to see your working on it GG!

[george graves]

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