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    Check those timing belts people!

    Last thursday I recieved a phonecall from a friend of mine returning home for spring break, telling me that as he was cruising at around 70mph the engine suddenly stopped running. It was somewhat on my way to work so I met him on the side of the freeway and started diagnosing why it suddenly stopped. I first popped the oil cap off and told him to crank it. Sure enough the cam was not turning.

    I knew his timing belt had been replaced around 35K ago (about 10K before he bought it give or take) so I was curious as to why it decided to break.

    We had the car towed to his home and I went over and pulled the front end of the motor off. What I saw was very interesting.

    The top bolt of the timing belt tensioner had been replaced with a stud, and a really crappy nut had been used to tighten the top of the tensioner. Over time the bolt slowly backed off causing the tensioner to angle slightly, causing the belt to rub.

    Here is what the belt looked like when it snapped.



    The belt itself was in great condition, and showed accurate wear considering its age, however the belt is about 40% of the width that it should been. We also found a black powder which was what was left of the rest of the belt. As the car was driving, the belt was slowly being shaved away until it suddenly snapped.

    Overall damage was 4 bent valves, and one broken intake rocker. The head survived pretty well, and is rebuildable if need be, however we are replacing it with a used head off my spare M20.

    Here are the rest of the pictures.




    So let this be a lesson to everybody, Even if the belt has been replaced by the previous owner, it MAY be worth the time to inspect the work that had been done.

    #2
    Man that is worse than your other friend that waited over 65K to replace his t-belt and you removed it without loosening the tensioner.:roll:
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      #3
      If you know who the shop was that did the shoddy work I would make the eventual totaling of the car (realisticly) known to them.
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        #4
        I hate it when that happens :( I was going to change my Tbelt the following week (weekend when it broke) once I got in the parts, but the belt broke instead. Not my fault, I hadnt even driven the car 50 miles since I bought it, and was going to do the belt immediately, but I guess it wasnt soon enough.

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          #5
          all you have to do is turn the engine over, and you could get fucked, it's like playing with fire, you going to get burned

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            #6
            Here are 2 pictures I forgot to upload earlier.

            You can see how thin the belt is, and the powder that makes up the rest of it =/


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              #7
              maybe i should change mine? i bought mine with 68k orig miles, and its at 71k now. but i have no clue as to whether or not the belt has been changed. any way to tell? i dont want to unecessarily change it (im lazy)
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                #8
                so did you see if any of the surfaces were marred?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by silversleeper
                  maybe i should change mine? i bought mine with 68k orig miles, and its at 71k now. but i have no clue as to whether or not the belt has been changed. any way to tell? i dont want to unecessarily change it (im lazy)
                  You can pull the cam cover off (after ripping the front of the motor apart to inspect it, but honestly once you are in there, you may as well replace it, its only 30 bucks.

                  replace the waterpump as well.

                  its a CHEAP repair

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by silversleeper
                    maybe i should change mine? i bought mine with 68k orig miles, and its at 71k now. but i have no clue as to whether or not the belt has been changed. any way to tell? i dont want to unecessarily change it (im lazy)
                    I would do it ASAP if you have no history. LIKE TONIGHT OR TOMMORROW!
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ///M42 sport
                      so did you see if any of the surfaces were marred?
                      It was so dirty I didn't look. I will be doing that wed/thursday when we toss the head back on.

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                        #12
                        I did a timing belt job on another car that had around 65K miles on the belt.

                        I was able to EASILY pull it off the cam gear without untensioning the belt, and was able to easily tear it.

                        If he jumped on the throttle hard it would of easily skipped, and was around 1000 miles from snapping.

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                          #13
                          good thread James. i've seen similar things at the dealership where shoddy jobs come in, the belt is super loose, or ready to break. most of the time people do not always know the status of the belt. a lot of people have saved themselves a huge headache by abiding by the time/mileage interval, or if they didn't know when it was last changed, they have it changed to be safe.

                          Originally posted by silversleeper
                          maybe i should change mine? i bought mine with 68k orig miles, and its at 71k now. but i have no clue as to whether or not the belt has been changed. any way to tell? i dont want to unecessarily change it (im lazy)
                          i'd really hate to rebuild a head due to laziness, i'm sure you would too. the kind of damage seen above can be easily preventable, so change it out. the parts, time and expense needed for a timing belt and water pump job is FAR less than having your belt break.

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                            #14
                            Ahh timing chains! Gotta love em


                            Originally posted by vlad
                            Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Joe318is
                              Ahh timing chains! Gotta love em
                              Indeed. (Read: MGB 1800cc engine has dual timing chains :) )

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