Are chips worth the $250?

[rwh11385]

First off, if you don't have the money, or can't stomach spending $250 on performance stuff.

DON'T MODIFY YOUR CAR!

HP cost money, and all the go fast parts will cost you! That is just the way it is.

Sure there are other chip out there for a E30, but why chance it? Venom? Come on, do you really think they did a lot of work on their chips? Bav auto? Do they make anything them selves?

Jim C, so far this is the ONLY chip for a NON M E30! It's real honest HP and torque increase, and nothing else you will ever buy for $250 will give you the boost that the chip does! Even a M42!

I don't understand how you can't do $250 for a REAL NON-eBay chip, but then bastardize your car with a E28 AFM and injectors.

You know what. I'm going to agree with this, definately. :up:

My E30 in my eyes is 1 part maintence, 1 part repair, 1 part modification. Don't try to buy mods for a broke down car. Fix it first. If you're motor isn't running correctly, a chip isn't going to do as much good as a tune-up.

I agree that it is stupid to be too cheap to buy a proper chip, but then put in M30AFM and M30 injectors.

I've read some interesting replies to people's questions, and it is obvious that Jim took pride in his work. (Maybe MarkD is good enough to hang with Jim, but I dunno)

[diegom6]

chipps sucks, chipps are for childs!! that's my opinion, but , never had a chipp in my personal experience, but drove many cars before and after the chipp and was the same shitt, at all my customers(well, some) I tell them do not buy or spend 250$ for the chipp no worth....most of them finished giving me the reason that not woth the money spended on it...

most recent news was in my friend's E30 M3 german, his car was failing and the curves on the dyno was like shit, the dyno man knows about those engines and tried to recalibrate with the AFm and many other shits to see if he get better results, he told my friend, bring me the OEM chip, hi did it, installed and gained like 15-20 HP over the "TURNER Chipp" that he bought and the curves on the dyno showed great improved, then my customer/friend gave me the reason about the chipps, got a similar case on the Jeeps!

CHipp are for those who wan'ts to trow the money at the garbage IMO!!! on a N.A. engine of corse!

[EVOIIIM3]

who are you talking to?

in any case, I was just experimenting, and though for $50, why not? surely those that can afford to maintain nice M3's would chance $50 just to see? ;)
and FYI, 19# injectors work great on a stock motor. ;)

just in general, no one personally.

My main point is, everyone knows the Jim C chips work, there have been dyno's, and many people just happy with them. If there was some $50 special, that was better, then everyone would be using it. Most of those chips are poorly made copies of some other chip.

Anyone who REALLY understands how Motronic works, will know the benefits of chip tuning, and that it is a ART form! I would NEVER put any kind of chip in my car unless I knew where it came from!

One wrong or bad cel and you will be building a new engine!

I believe most of the TMS Jim C chips are now $200. So why waste $50 on some inferior chip when for $150 more you can have the real thing?

Don't get me started on the injectors, stock ones are PERFECTLY fine for any internally stock engine. Dumping in unmeasured fuel does not give you HP. Funny how no one has really dyoned a car before and after an injector and AFM swap.

[EVOIIIM3]

chipps sucks, chipps are for childs!! that's my opinion, but , never had a chipp in my personal experience, but drove many cars before and after the chipp and was the same shitt, at all my customers(well, some) I tell them do not buy or spend 250$ for the chipp no worth....most of them finished giving me the reason that not woth the money spended on it...

most recent news was in my friend's E30 M3 german, his car was failing and the curves on the dyno was like shit, the dyno man knows about those engines and tried to recalibrate with the AFm and many other shits to see if he get better results, he told my friend, bring me the OEM chip, hi did it, installed and gained like 15-20 HP over the "TURNER Chipp" that he bought and the curves on the dyno showed great improved, then my customer/friend gave me the reason about the chipps, got a similar case on the Jeeps!

CHipp are for those who wan'ts to trow the money at the garbage IMO!!! on a N.A. engine of corse!

What are you talking about? Chips do not do anything? Does jetting a carb do anything? Does advancing mechanical timing do anything?

The answer is YES, chip tuning is like that in a much more precise environment. being able to tune just idle, throttle advance, richen up a few cels.

Chip tuning is the final mod of all mods!

Just so you know there is only one calibration on a AFM, and it of CO level. It really has no basis on WOT, it mostly idle and low throttle.

[nando]

I believe most of the TMS Jim C chips are now $200. So why waste $50 on some inferior chip when for $150 more you can have the real thing?

Don't get me started on the injectors, stock ones are PERFECTLY fine for any internally stock engine. Dumping in unmeasured fuel does not give you HP. Funny how no one has really dyoned a car before and after an injector and AFM swap.

I agree that the $50 special probably isn't the best idea. but I'm also pretty happy with the bavauto chip, I'm not sure they make a JC for the 526 anyway (it wasn't available last year at least).

as far as the injectors, I never said I gained any power. The fact is, the engine runs smoother and stronger (mostly due to the fact that these injectors have less miles than my old ones), and my gas mileage actually improved a slight amount (I average 21.5mpg on nearly every tank, which is pretty good for a 4 door automatic ix with 153k). They key is the reduction in the duty cycle, it does run rich when you first start it up but once the engine is given a couple hard runs it clears up nicely and runs just as well as a stock motor. Plus they were only $45!

the big-6 AFM I'm not convinced on, but since I had it (and got it cheap, again $45 :P) I figure I may as well try it. I can always drop my stock AFM back in if I don't like it, and I can probably get my money out of it if I decide to back out.

as far as the AFM/injector dyno, check out Dave Length's website. ;)

[diegom6]

chipps sucks, chipps are for childs!! that's my opinion, but , never had a chipp in my personal experience, but drove many cars before and after the chipp and was the same shitt, at all my customers(well, some) I tell them do not buy or spend 250$ for the chipp no worth....most of them finished giving me the reason that not woth the money spended on it...

most recent news was in my friend's E30 M3 german, his car was failing and the curves on the dyno was like shit, the dyno man knows about those engines and tried to recalibrate with the AFm and many other shits to see if he get better results, he told my friend, bring me the OEM chip, hi did it, installed and gained like 15-20 HP over the "TURNER Chipp" that he bought and the curves on the dyno showed great improved, then my customer/friend gave me the reason about the chipps, got a similar case on the Jeeps!

CHipp are for those who wan'ts to trow the money at the garbage IMO!!! on a N.A. engine of corse!

What are you talking about? Chips do not do anything? Does jetting a carb do anything? Does advancing mechanical timing do anything?

The answer is YES, chip tuning is like that in a much more precise environment. being able to tune just idle, throttle advance, richen up a few cels.

Chip tuning is the final mod of all mods!

Just so you know there is only one calibration on a AFM, and it of CO level. It really has no basis on WOT, it mostly idle and low throttle.

That's true , and perhaps in most M20 work great, dunno in my personal experience since never bought one, but why when we switched the OEM Chipp on the M3 we gained like 15-20 Hp more??? and the curve were all the way in better range? than when was the Turner Chipp?? dunno man, but chipps for me is a waste of money! I can aproch that money and save more for better and serious power and if I want a softwer upgrade should pick up fisrt a Piggy Back system in first place.... ;)

[bimmerphile]

chipps sucks, chipps are for childs!! that's my opinion, but , never had a chipp in my personal experience, but drove many cars before and after the chipp and was the same shitt, at all my customers(well, some) I tell them do not buy or spend 250$ for the chipp no worth....most of them finished giving me the reason that not woth the money spended on it...

most recent news was in my friend's E30 M3 german, his car was failing and the curves on the dyno was like shit, the dyno man knows about those engines and tried to recalibrate with the AFm and many other shits to see if he get better results, he told my friend, bring me the OEM chip, hi did it, installed and gained like 15-20 HP over the "TURNER Chipp" that he bought and the curves on the dyno showed great improved, then my customer/friend gave me the reason about the chipps, got a similar case on the Jeeps!

CHipp are for those who wan'ts to trow the money at the garbage IMO!!! on a N.A. engine of corse!

What are you talking about? Chips do not do anything? Does jetting a carb do anything? Does advancing mechanical timing do anything?

The answer is YES, chip tuning is like that in a much more precise environment. being able to tune just idle, throttle advance, richen up a few cels.

Chip tuning is the final mod of all mods!

Just so you know there is only one calibration on a AFM, and it of CO level. It really has no basis on WOT, it mostly idle and low throttle.

That's true , and perhaps in most M20 work great, dunno in my personal experience since never bought one, but why when we switched the OEM Chipp on the M3 we gained like 15-20 Hp more??? and the curve were all the way in better range? than when was the Turner Chipp?? dunno man, but chipps for me is a waste of money! I can aproch that money and save more for better and serious power and if I want a softwer upgrade should pick up fisrt a Piggy Back system in first place.... ;)

I have no idea how to decipher the logic in that post :?

[Rob]

he's saying $250 is better saved for a real tuning device.

[nando]

he's saying $250 is better saved for a real tuning device.

yeah SMT6 is what, $300-$400? of course you gotta be able to tune it, and I don't seat of the pants is the best way to tune your car ;)

[Rob]

but you'll get way more out of it, therefore, it would be more beneficial to save a few hundred more for a real ecu and tuning, and then have a perfectly tuned ecu for your car and mods, instead of one of a thousand 'ballpark' chips

[diegom6]

he's saying $250 is better saved for a real tuning device.

you got it Rob!

[Mystikal]

Probably, but I guess I'm the poor sap with no free dyno nearby to tune. You guys are lucky.

[rwh11385]

Probably, but I guess I'm the poor sap with no free dyno nearby to tune. You guys are lucky.

Highway = free dyno. 40-100mph.

[bimmerphile]

he's saying $250 is better saved for a real tuning device.

you got it Rob!

OK, there we go. Sorry, Diego.

[diegom6]

he's saying $250 is better saved for a real tuning device.

you got it Rob!

OK, there we go. Sorry, Diego.

nah, no problem Kris, my english suck and even my sentence sometimes doesn't get the right form or logic sence of the post, I use basics words...(poor english :oops: )