So I weighed the 318 today

[Jand3rson]

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[Streetspec_iS]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

[Stu]

M10 weighs 335? Is it full of lead? Sorry, I don't believe that figure.
The 318i M10 is 242 lbs lighter than the 318is M42, partly because of the engine. Drive one and tell me it is heavier in the front than a 318is.
ETK shows 90.5 kg for a reman M10 short engine. Add manifolds and the number is 100.5 kg, or 221 lbs.
A reman M42 short engine weighs 110 kg. Add manifolds for a total of 119.7 kg, or 267 lbs.

The M42, as you know, is about 3.5" shorter than the bulky M10 (remember--1960's). The M10's are big-bore engines, closer to 90mm stock, whereas the M42 ran 84mm. The M40/42's length is about the same as an M20 with 2 cylinders cut off, slightly more for the 16v. The M42, as mentioned, is about 315 pounds, with manifolds, wiring, clutch/flywheel assembly. The M10 is about 335. The M10 even has a single-mass flywheel, I believe. For comparison, a fully dressed M50 is 427--that includes a dual mass flywheel.

The '91 318is is heavier than the early 318 for reasons other than the engine (ex. newer car, airbags, heavier suspension, more sound deadening, etc)

ps- The M42 uses a stainless manifold, I highly doubt it's heavier than the M10's cast iron hunker.

[e30Matt]

M10 weighs 335? Is it full of lead? Sorry, I don't believe that figure.
The 318i M10 is 242 lbs lighter than the 318is M42, partly because of the engine. Drive one and tell me it is heavier in the front than a 318is.
ETK shows 90.5 kg for a reman M10 short engine. Add manifolds and the number is 100.5 kg, or 221 lbs.
A reman M42 short engine weighs 110 kg. Add manifolds for a total of 119.7 kg, or 267 lbs.

The M42, as you know, is about 3.5" shorter than the bulky M10 (remember--1960's). The M10's are big-bore engines, closer to 90mm stock, whereas the M42 ran 84mm. The M40/42's length is about the same as an M20 with 2 cylinders cut off, slightly more for the 16v. The M42, as mentioned, is about 315 pounds, with manifolds, wiring, clutch/flywheel assembly. The M10 is about 335. The M10 even has a single-mass flywheel, I believe. For comparison, a fully dressed M50 is 427--that includes a dual mass flywheel.

The '91 318is is heavier than the early 318 for reasons other than the engine (ex. newer car, airbags, heavier suspension, more sound deadening, etc)

ps- The M42 uses a stainless manifold, I highly doubt it's heavier than the M10's cast iron hunker.

[Stu]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

fuckin right, good number. That is what mine weighed with no carpet, backseat, spare, etc. Now up to just over 2600 wtih the 6banger

[nzer]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

fuckin right, good number. That is what mine weighed with no carpet, backseat, spare, etc. Now up to just over 2600 wtih the 6banger

My 84 323 (325 motor) with race seats, no rear seats, no sound deadning, the spare wheel in, a full tank of gas is only 2354 lbs. Early euro e30s are pretty light - and you get the nice pretty bumpers.

[Stu]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

fuckin right, good number. That is what mine weighed with no carpet, backseat, spare, etc. Now up to just over 2600 wtih the 6banger

My 84 323 (325 motor) with race seats, no rear seats, no sound deadning, the spare wheel in, a full tank of gas is only 2354 lbs. Early euro e30s are pretty light - and you get the nice pretty bumpers.

Do you have the 2.5 325i motor? Trick. Still using the lightweight 323 gearbox and rearend?

2350 is awesome; what other tricks do the euro cars have to keep the weight down? Less crash protection, door beams?

[Jarvis]

2350 is awesome; what other tricks do the euro cars have to keep the weight down? Less crash protection, door beams?

The euro 323i I checked out a couple months ago originally had door beams installed when it was imported, so I'm guessing all euro E30s (at least early models) had no door beams.

[SpencerM3]

Approx. what do E30 M3's weight in at?

[KenC]

Approx. what do E30 M3's weight in at?

Jordan's data sheet says 2900.

[Streetspec_iS]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

fuckin right, good number. That is what mine weighed with no carpet, backseat, spare, etc. Now up to just over 2600 wtih the 6banger

My 84 323 (325 motor) with race seats, no rear seats, no sound deadning, the spare wheel in, a full tank of gas is only 2354 lbs. Early euro e30s are pretty light - and you get the nice pretty bumpers.

nice man, nice!

[MichaelH]

Hey Bill, what suspension setup do you have on your 318? I have an 85 318i that basically just gets driven on the Dragon, and I have always wanted to do suspension on it. What is good for an m10 car?

[AdamF 88iS]

Approx. what do E30 M3's weight in at?

Jordan's data sheet says 2900.

I doubt that number. If all these 325i are coming in closer to high 2700s, and M3's have plastic trunk lids, no tar mat in the trunk, and 2 less cylenders I'd say its at least 100lbs less than 2900.

[BS87]

This thread saddens me

*looks out the window at the pig of a cabrio*

[nzer]

so i took the 318iS to be weighed today.

2469lbs ... unmanned, rear seat out, no tools, spare out, rear boot carpet out, basketweaves, recaro front seats, 1/2 tank.

apparently the unmanned book weight is 2533lbs. but im guessing that would be fully laden (fuel interior etc.)

fuckin right, good number. That is what mine weighed with no carpet, backseat, spare, etc. Now up to just over 2600 wtih the 6banger

My 84 323 (325 motor) with race seats, no rear seats, no sound deadning, the spare wheel in, a full tank of gas is only 2354 lbs. Early euro e30s are pretty light - and you get the nice pretty bumpers.

Do you have the 2.5 325i motor? Trick. Still using the lightweight 323 gearbox and rearend?

2350 is awesome; what other tricks do the euro cars have to keep the weight down? Less crash protection, door beams?

Yeah I have the 2.5 325 motor - with 323i head that raised compression a bit (still the big port head). Lightened crank, con rods, flywheel. Using a Getrag 260 325 box.

In the boot of my car it orginally had huge rubber mats - not the tar stuff. So i pulled all that out which saved HEAPS of weight. My car has no options (cept sunroof). There was no sound proofing under the rear seat. Small 325 radiator instead of 323 one. Manual rack.

The two seats I put in weight less than one stock seat - so that saved a bit of weight (they are damn ugly and rice but hey they hold you in the seat)

Bunch of info on the car at http://www.bmwclub.org.nz/feature.htm

edit: and after finding out what the door beams are (i've never seen them before) I don't have them.