e30 M3 question.

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  • hendrixvodu
    R3VLimited
    • Jan 2007
    • 2514

    #16
    What makes the E30 320is unique?
    The E30 320is is a special 3 Series model that was sold exclusively in Italy and Portugal in order to take advantage of the reduced taxes in those countries for cars with engines that displace two liters or less. It is powered by a 1990cc version of the four-cylinder S14 engine developed by BMW Motorsport for the E30 M3 and also shares its close-ratio Getrag gearbox with the M3. However, all other components are standard 3 Series items.


    other countries taxed the shit out of 6 cylinder engines so it was also a smart idea that they made it a 4 cylinder ...and also if im not mistaken rally cars had to be 4 bangers ...aka the lancia delta integrale but i think standards for rally cars back then had to be 2.0L ...so maybe the M3 competed in a large engine class???
    -His-
    87 e30 325i
    87 e24 m6
    05 e83 x3
    94 e32 740i 5spd
    -Hers-
    89 e30 325i
    18 f48 x1

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    • bimmer8604
      No R3VLimiter
      • Nov 2003
      • 3017

      #17
      Originally posted by -Javier-
      Massive Lee.........thank you for your info. people like you make r3v the way it is.
      And people like you make....ah forget it. you wouldn't understand.
      1988 M3, 97 840, 99 XJ
      DILLIGAF

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      • -Javier-
        Grease Monkey
        • May 2007
        • 382

        #18
        thanks for that dude. so this s14 engine is quite powerful for a 4 banger.

        Originally posted by hendrixvodu
        What makes the E30 320is unique?
        The E30 320is is a special 3 Series model that was sold exclusively in Italy and Portugal in order to take advantage of the reduced taxes in those countries for cars with engines that displace two liters or less. It is powered by a 1990cc version of the four-cylinder S14 engine developed by BMW Motorsport for the E30 M3 and also shares its close-ratio Getrag gearbox with the M3. However, all other components are standard 3 Series items.


        other countries taxed the shit out of 6 cylinder engines so it was also a smart idea that they made it a 4 cylinder ...and also if im not mistaken rally cars had to be 4 bangers ...aka the lancia delta integrale but i think standards for rally cars back then had to be 2.0L ...so maybe the M3 competed in a large engine class???

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        • Danny
          Moderator
          • Feb 2008
          • 14216

          #19
          Well it IS in an M3.

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          • hendrixvodu
            R3VLimited
            • Jan 2007
            • 2514

            #20
            a 4 cylinder that did 0-60 in 6 seconds back in the day was kind of a big deal hahah
            -His-
            87 e30 325i
            87 e24 m6
            05 e83 x3
            94 e32 740i 5spd
            -Hers-
            89 e30 325i
            18 f48 x1

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            • FredK
              R3V OG
              • Oct 2003
              • 14749

              #21
              Simply put, it boiled down to qualifying the E30 M3 for FIA Group A homologation and and to place it within engine displacement regulations.

              The S14 is not that much lighter than a V8. The S14 has a cast iron block. In terms of weight it probably isn't much lighter than say, a GM GenIII or IV all aluminum V8. It is lighter and shorter than a cast iron BMW inline 6, however.

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              • Lurker27
                E30 Modder
                • Jul 2007
                • 821

                #22
                I thought it was because it was a derivative of the F1 engine. You know, like how the 426s got on the street in the 70s. I didn't think there was a compelling technical reason.
                '89 335is +turbo

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                • rThor432
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 3907

                  #23
                  I think you might be a little bit more into 4-cylinders if you got a chance to drive a healthy M3.

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                  • -Javier-
                    Grease Monkey
                    • May 2007
                    • 382

                    #24
                    Originally posted by rThor432
                    I think you might be a little bit more into 4-cylinders if you got a chance to drive a healthy M3.
                    lol could be i would love to give it a chance. :p

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                    • Massive Lee
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 6785

                      #25
                      I don't think there was any reason to be harsh with Javier. I am sure that very few people had the words to explain why a four banger, and even fewer would understand the benefits of a 4 cylinder engine on a race track. That being said, welcome to the world of e30s. A great bag of mixed nuts...
                      Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.

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                      • CleanAzzE30z
                        R3V OG
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 11794

                        #26
                        BMW focused instead of being a HP beast, to being a car that maximizes its natural handling characteristics and maintaining speeds and revs in the turns. 4 cylinders can rev higher and are peaky. And in a race application, youre never going to be at 3-4K RPM. It screams.

                        Mariano


                        2001 Titaniumsilber 540i Sport 6-Speed
                        1990 Diamantschwarz Alpha-N 2.5L ///M3
                        1986 Alpinweiss 325e M50B25 (R.I.P.)

                        -Talk to me when more sound comes from the induction than from the exhaust...

                        -Argentina........lo mas grande que hay.

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                        • CleanAzzE30z
                          R3V OG
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 11794

                          #27
                          Originally posted by FredK
                          Simply put, it boiled down to qualifying the E30 M3 for FIA Group A homologation and and to place it within engine displacement regulations.
                          Not exactly. There were far greater displacements such as the Audi V8 Quattro, and also lower displacement (2.0) turbo (Cosworth RS500) that competed. There were many options. BMW happened to chop off 2 cylinders off of the M88/S38 engine and mated it with the block that eventually became the M10/S14 blocks. That block was the basis for the Brabham F1 engine that dynoed at more than 1400HP.




                          Mariano


                          2001 Titaniumsilber 540i Sport 6-Speed
                          1990 Diamantschwarz Alpha-N 2.5L ///M3
                          1986 Alpinweiss 325e M50B25 (R.I.P.)

                          -Talk to me when more sound comes from the induction than from the exhaust...

                          -Argentina........lo mas grande que hay.

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                          • Jbs
                            Member
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 88

                            #28
                            its 4 cyl so people could swap in real 6 cyl engines like s5x.



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                            • Firestorm
                              Mod Crazy
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 795

                              #29
                              Because they forgot to install the other 4 cyls

                              ;)

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                              Getting purists panties in a knot since 2007. ;)
                              E30 count = 6! :shock:

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                              • FredK
                                R3V OG
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 14749

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Jbs
                                its 4 cyl so people could swap in real 6 cyl engines like s5x.
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