How to learn to drive (well)?

[kowalski]

If you don't already know how to do this stuff I have no idea why you exist

A yes, its tough for those who aren't born with driving skills of a professional.

R3V should ban people like this automatically

[Jean]

its pretty common in mkI and mkII's with stock snowflakes and some race springs. A gutted rabit weighs about 2000lbs. My gti with shocks, springs and the worlds crappiest generic narrow tires will out handle my e30 that has been completely gone through. I'm sure i'd have no problem lifting a tire with some 300 treadwear 205's.

But good tires on a e30 make a big on being able to maintain or recover from a powerslide. Some go cart tracks have a powerslide slick track.

More on the GTI, is this mk1 or mk2 ? Also just because it lifts it's inside rear doesn't really mean that it handles the best ;) (had one). I just somehow doubt that car A on shitty tires will outhandle another car B that has been "gone through" as you put it.

[einstein57]

More on the GTI, is this mk1 or mk2 ? Also just because it lifts it's inside rear doesn't really mean that it handles the best ;) (had one). I just somehow doubt that car A on shitty tires will outhandle another car B that has been "gone through" as you put it.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=107419

The GTI has an fk 60/40 cup kit and some prothane tidbits here and there

My e30 has bilstein sports, h&r race springs, kmac camber casters, sparco strut bar, new control arms, m3 solid CAB, IE urethane rear shock mounts and sub frame bushings, ST spec e30 sway bars with urethane bushings, and bav auto eccentric urethane trailing arm bushings. Tires are Nitto Gen 205/50/16. If there is anything that has not been touched as far as the suspension goes short of and m roadster conversion please let me know cause i'd like it to handle better. Jeremiel5, e30 fiend, and e30 polak can attest to how well my suspension is set up. But i can assure you that both of my cars take the same turns at the same speeds governed by when the back comes out on the e30 and the front comes out on the GTI. I have no dought raffi from eurosport could kick any one of our e30's (M3's included) asses in his 120hp GTI. He did beat that 600hp Porsche and many other high dollar sports cars.

[Fidhle007]

Jeremiel5, e30 fiend, and e30 polak...


Well there's a killer lineup...

[bimmer_E30]

empty parking lots , FTMFW.

[einstein57]

Jeremiel5, e30 fiend, and e30 polak...


Well there's a killer lineup...

Ok smart ass. Being that you've never held a conversation with any of them i'm sure you don't know there automotive background. Raza, Vic, Bernie, and George can co sign on my suspension. But since you guys don't know them, there was and is no point in mentioning them.

[nando]

yay for you - I've "beaten" lots of guys in hot modded porsches but that doesn't really say anything about my car.

[DCColegrove]

To the OP.

That's a good question (I mean this sincerely).

Me personally, I cant drive for shit anymore (too old and slow on the reactions) however I know know how it's done. I think your best bet (short of paying Skip Barber) is to find a very large deserted place with good pavement and some guys with proven driving skills to hang out with and have at it...Sounds like an autocross to me.

[eric (^__^)]

The turn-in on mkII GTI's with minimal modifications and good tires is A M A Z I N G

[einstein57]

yay for you - I've "beaten" lots of guys in hot modded porsches but that doesn't really say anything about my car.

In the eurotuner tuner shootout against pro drivers and money is no object cars? I'll have to pull his laptimes at willow.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
Beaten

Beat"en\, a.

1. Made smooth by beating or treading; worn by use. "A broad and beaten way." --Milton. "Beaten gold." --Shak.

2. Vanquished; conquered; baffled.

3. Exhausted; tired out.

4. Become common or trite; as, a beaten phrase. [Obs.]

5. Tried; practiced. [Obs.] --Beau. & Fl.



Where the hell is Farbin? He's slacking on his definition posting. LOL

[Fidhle007]

In the eurotuner tuner shootout against pro drivers and money is no object cars? I'll have to pull his laptimes at willow.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
Beaten

Beat"en\, a.

1. Made smooth by beating or treading; worn by use. "A broad and beaten way." --Milton. "Beaten gold." --Shak.

2. Vanquished; conquered; baffled.

3. Exhausted; tired out.

4. Become common or trite; as, a beaten phrase. [Obs.]

5. Tried; practiced. [Obs.] --Beau. & Fl.



Where the hell is Farbin? He's slacking on his definition posting. LOL

You want us to believe this, and yet you quoted mister I-think-my-frame-is-bent-on-my-mad-tyte-drift-car-yo-and-while-I'm-at-it-how-DO-I-drift? as a credible source for how phat your ride be...

[Fidhle007]

To the OP.

That's a good question (I mean this sincerely).

Me personally, I cant drive for shit anymore (too old and slow on the reactions) however I know know how it's done. I think your best bet (short of paying Skip Barber) is to find a very large deserted place with good pavement and some guys with proven driving skills to hang out with and have at it...Sounds like an autocross to me.

Best statement of the thread so far, you can stay.

[Mulholland]

E30's aren't the most amazing handling cars in the world dude, my Geo Storm GSi was a WAY better auto x car. On stock suspension with compounds it pulled a .98g, and even stock they lift the rear tires before they understeer, the turn in is amazing. My favorite part is when I mention this car, and people start BS'ing saying "geo metro" or "geo prism" and have no idea what a storm is anyways, but think it is far inferior to an E30 at the track or auto-x, so commence flaming... then when curiousity sets in go yahoo/google geo storm and find out about another old cheap cool fun car. Yes it's fwd... but unless you drift or drag race, which most of your cars can't do anyways, then they will kick your ass track or auto-x. Not hating on E30's, again, just the people talking crap about mk2's outhandling E30's so easily.

[DCColegrove]

E30's aren't the most amazing handling cars in the world dude, my Geo Storm GSi was a WAY better auto x car...

I think...

I might...

get sick...
...

[nando]

In the eurotuner tuner shootout against pro drivers and money is no object cars? I'll have to pull his laptimes at willow.

that rag? seriously?