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  • z31maniac
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Dec 2007
    • 17566

    #1

    Cam and headwork

    Worth it on an M20 with stock compression? How much can you up the compression from milling the head or is negligible?
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  • BMWLA
    Banned
    • Jul 2008
    • 407

    #2
    raising the compression isnt hard to do but there are alot of other things to factor in.
    Dan C was quite the wizard with porting m20 m30 and 42s in the 90s he may have the answeres. as far as caming goes it's pretty dependant on what you are willing to put up with for idle

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    • nando
      Moderator
      • Nov 2003
      • 34827

      #3
      anything abouve a 272 isn't worth it with stock compression, a 284 or higher is best suited to 10:1. there are plenty of gains to be had with the M20 head, and there is a lot more in depth discussion about this topic on E30tech if you are interested. most of the gains come from porting the exhaust, reshaping the short side radius and bowl work.
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      • 2002maniac
        R3V Elite
        • Feb 2005
        • 4260

        #4
        Have you considered an M50 swap? :)

        j/k I'd say go with a 272, but seriously, M50....

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        • nando
          Moderator
          • Nov 2003
          • 34827

          #5
          Originally posted by 2002maniac
          Have you considered an M50 swap? :)

          j/k I'd say go with a 272, but seriously, M50....
          this is why asking M20 questions here is so fruitless
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          • Jesse30
            No R3VLimiter
            • Jan 2007
            • 3936

            #6
            2002 maniac meant to say m52. you should think about an m52 swap. :D




            seriously though, 272 camshaft, oversized exhaust valves, gasket matched ports should give you some decent gains. IMO anything more than that is a waste unless your playing with the internal of your m20 while your at it.

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            • nando
              Moderator
              • Nov 2003
              • 34827

              #7
              oversized valves aren't worth it on a stock m20 bottom end either, you'll gain maybe 3-5% more flow rom +1mm valves vs 15-20% from good porting. This is even more true with a milder cam like the 272.
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              • Jesse30
                No R3VLimiter
                • Jan 2007
                • 3936

                #8
                you can get a ~25% flow increase with porting and oversized valves. if the head is off and getting worked over then why not do it right?


                same mentality as if your going to be in there doing your tb then you might want to consider doing the waterpump while your there.

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                • nando
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 34827

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jesse30
                  you can get a ~25% flow increase with porting and oversized valves. if the head is off and getting worked over then why not do it right?


                  same mentality as if your going to be in there doing your tb then you might want to consider doing the waterpump while your there.
                  yes but the point is that 5% gain is exponentially more expensive than the initial 20%. not the same mentality as a $40 waterpump at all.
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                  • Jesse30
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 3936

                    #10
                    Originally posted by nando
                    yes but the point is that 5% gain is exponentially more expensive than the initial 20%. not the same mentality as a $40 waterpump at all.

                    haha you're right, :)

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                    • BMWLA
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 407

                      #11
                      porting, cc ing etc done well is not cheap but there are some serious gains to be had it is worth it to some like me personally im a purist.

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                      • Farbin Kaiber
                        Lil' Puppet
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 29502

                        #12
                        What the fuck is a Dan C?

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                        • BMWLA
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 407

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                          What the fuck is a Dan C?
                          what is a good question the zen guy dan colegrove he use to do a lot of flow bench stuff

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                          • Farbin Kaiber
                            Lil' Puppet
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 29502

                            #14
                            Oh, If you would have said DCColegrove, I'd have known right away.

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                            • BMWLA
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 407

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                              Oh, If you would have said DCColegrove, I'd have known right away.
                              i wonder what the extra c is for?

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