Plasma boy 11.466 @ 114.08 Damn

[StereoInstaller1]

John was a customer of mine for a minute.

great guy, good to see him still at it all these years later.

[Funkmasta]

60 batteries per car? yep, wait. yep, I just checked and that is not very envirofriendly.
hypocrite.

[sticksdaman]

pwnd!

[stegosaurus]

Not eco-friendly at all, huge amounts of energy are wasted in transporting electricity over long distances. Yeah the car has no emissions, but power plants do. Until fusion power can replace fission power, electric cars can hardly be seen as an eco-friendly mode of transportation.

[ldsbeaker]

See sig :-P

Well since you're "excepting" monetary donations, do you want non-perishable food, old clothing, my dead AAA cells, etc?

How about "accepting" monetary donations?

p.s. IF, I was going to do something like this, I would suck up the cost, then seek monetary donations. Probably end up better in the monetary sense.

60 batteries per car? yep, wait. yep, I just checked and that is not very envirofriendly.
hypocrite.

He's trying to break world records. He needs 60 batteries to have the proper amount of "horsepower". Normal car might need 10-20 MAX. (I'm just pulling numbers out of my butt)

[CorvallisBMW]

60 batteries per car? yep, wait. yep, I just checked and that is not very envirofriendly.
hypocrite.

There's nothing hyptcritical about it. That little Datsun is far more 'envirofriendly' than any other car on the drag strip.

Ya, batteries take resources to make. But they're also recycleable and the car produces zero emissions. Plus, being from Portland, I'm sure he's signed up for the Renewable Engergy option from PGE or Pacific Power or whoever he gets his power through.

So is it zero emissions cradle-to-grave? No. But it's probably 1/100th of what a similar-performance gasoline powered car would be.

[Funkmasta]

Aside from Mercury based switches, and the Sodium Azide in Airbags, Batteries are the WORST threat to the environment located within a vehicle.

Not to mention the Mental damage caused by our government cramming that BS down our throats.

[CorvallisBMW]

Aside from Mercury based switches, and the Sodium Azide in Airbags, Batteries are the WORST threat to the environment located within a vehicle.

Not to mention the Mental damage caused by our government cramming that BS down our throats.

Well, I suppose if you opened all the batteries and dumped them in to the river, then yes, they're bad. But batteries get recycled, especially batteries like that because they contain lots of precious (and valuable) metals. The chance of them ending up in the envorinment is very small (unlike gasoline powered cars where 100% of their emissions end up in the environment)

It's a nice attempt at arguing, but the numbers have been run hundreds of times by hundreds of people and electric cars are far, far better for the environment than gasoline cars. You think manufacturing batteries causes polution? What about engine blocks? Ever been to a metal smelter? :)

[Funkmasta]

But batteries get recycled, especially batteries like that because they contain lots of precious (and valuable) metals. The chance of them ending up in the envorinment is very small (unlike gasoline powered cars where 100% of their emissions end up in the environment)

It's a nice attempt at arguing, but the numbers have been run hundreds of times by hundreds of people and electric cars are far, far better for the environment than gasoline cars. You think manufacturing batteries causes polution? What about engine blocks? Ever been to a metal smelter? :)

Consider the environment damage potential. Just because it is not an issue now, doesn't mean that it is a non-issue. Once these things are mass produced, just watch. Watch, just watch.

How about as there are more and more electric cars, getting in accidents, leaking battery acid all over the place?

[CorvallisBMW]

Consider the environment damage potential. Just because it is not an issue now, doesn't mean that it is a non-issue. Once these things are mass produced, just watch. Watch, just watch.

How about as there are more and more electric cars, getting in accidents, leaking battery acid all over the place?

True, as electric cars become more common the risk of environmental pollution will increase. But it's still far less damage than a gasoline powered car. Can you recycle CO2 from your tailpipe? No. But you can recycle batteries.

Exactly what kind of damage are you worried about? What am I supposed to 'watch' for? I don't see how there's an possible way an electric car is going to be worse than a gasoline car. But if you have some numbers or studies that show otherwise, please show them.

And BTW, Lithium-Ion batteries do not contain acid. They are tightly sealed and the risk of leaks is pretty small (much less than the risk of spilling gasoline, for instance).

[SpecM]

pwnage

[Funkmasta]

Neither of us have proof that the other is wrong.

But for one, I am concerned about the increase of manufacture and production of Hazardous materials.

Secondly, once the electric cars hit a certain critical mass, the battery packs will NOT be recycled. Just because you grew up in Hippie-Town, Oregon, gives you a very skewed view of how things actually happen. In the rest of the world, EVEN IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, people don't give a damn, and literally throw EVERYTHING in the garbage.

Thirdly, for those of who say that there are only a few batteries, and they don't produce much "juice". Consider what happens to a vehicle over the generations of a model's existence. I will give you a hint; They don't get smaller and produce less power.

[CorvallisBMW]

Neither of us have proof that the other is wrong.

Really? Because it's well known that electric cars are better for the environment than gasoline cars, batteries or not. There have been countless studies proving it. It's common knowledge, like 'The sky is blue' or 'The earth is round'. If you want to debate it, that's fine. But the burden of proof lies with you, not me :)

But for one, I am concerned about the increase of manufacture and production of Hazardous materials.

Secondly, once the electric cars hit a certain critical mass, the battery packs will NOT be recycled. Just because you grew up in Hippie-Town, Oregon, gives you a very skewed view of how things actually happen. In the rest of the world, EVEN IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, people don't give a damn, and literally throw EVERYTHING in the garbage.

So you're saying Europe throws everything in the garbage? There are laws prohibiting the disposal of batteries from electric cars in any way besides recycling. What are they going to do, stuff their cars into their garbage cans and hope the garbage man doesn't notice? How many people do you see doing that with today's gasoline cars?

You've been listening to too much AM talk radio again, it's been skewing your view of reality ;)

[Funkmasta]

Really? Because it's well known that electric cars are better for the environment than gasoline cars, batteries or not. There have been countless studies proving it. It's common knowledge, like 'The sky is blue' or 'The earth is round'. If you want to debate it, that's fine. But the burden of proof lies with you, not me :)

I am going to call bullshit on your "countless" studies, and that it being "well known". I think that it is just government propoganda that is being shoved down our throats. Of course from an EMISSIONS standpoint, it is undebatable that an electric car is better for the environment than a gasoline or diesel car. But, from a manufacturing, or decommissioning standpoint, I don't think that they are better than a gasoline car. The burden of proof does not lie with me, I am the one that challenged it.

So you're saying Europe throws everything in the garbage? There are laws prohibiting the disposal of batteries from electric cars in any way besides recycling. What are they going to do, stuff their cars into their garbage cans and hope the garbage man doesn't notice? How many people do you see doing that with today's gasoline cars?

You've been listening to too much AM talk radio again, it's been skewing your view of reality ;)

When I lived in Minnesota, when I spent time in Chicago, even when I have been outside the city here in the NW, yeah, I have seen shit thrown away all the time.

Edit: Even here in hippieville Portland I have delivered parts to shops and seen atrocious things in the garbage.

[kenika65]

God this went gay fast... Lithium-Ion batteries is what he runs now and that is it so all this talk about acid filled battery's was absolutely dumb and pointless...

And just imagine if we started making vehicles and motors with electronics from the beginning and not gasoline tell me now that the world would be more polluted...

Grow up old men or whatevery you are