Does this happen often (busted up coil over)

[Z3Jonathan]

1. Price is not necessarily reflective of quality.

2. Many coilover mfgs get their springs from a supplier. Unless they have specific requirements for the supplier, and/or test for fatigue, how can these coilover companies know if the spring is going to fatigue or not? Just because its the right spring rate and size doesn't mean its the right spring for the job....

3. Fatigue is not your friend in this case. If a spring isn't designed for a certain fatigue life, then its a crapshoot as to whether or not it will fail prematurely.

4. Corrosion fatigue only amplifies the situation. The corrosion forms pits which will act as a stress riser.

[Z3Jonathan]

Hence why coil overs are not a real road solution. Failures are not that uncommon.

failures are uncommon if you buy a quality product... hell this is the first I've seen pics of a cheap one failing and have only heard of issues with cheap kits... and never to that extent. Usually just perches seizing due to rust.

Bottom line is, coilovers are fine for the street. I've been running H&R's for years on everything from daily driver's to track cars (all 3 of my current cars use H&R coilovers). If you buy quality, they will last. Avoid cheap stuff like B+G, Fk, aerospeed, ground control, ebay brands, etc etc and you won't have problems.

I've never heard of a set of GC's failling...

:shrug:

IIRC, GC uses Eibach Springs.

[e30Matt]

Hence why coil overs are not a real road solution. Failures are not that uncommon.

failures are uncommon if you buy a quality product... hell this is the first I've seen pics of a cheap one failing and have only heard of issues with cheap kits... and never to that extent. Usually just perches seizing due to rust.

Bottom line is, coilovers are fine for the street. I've been running H&R's for years on everything from daily driver's to track cars (all 3 of my current cars use H&R coilovers). If you buy quality, they will last. Avoid cheap stuff like B+G, Fk, aerospeed, ground control, ebay brands, etc etc and you won't have problems.

I've never heard of a set of GC's failling...

:shrug:

IIRC, GC uses Eibach Springs.

They do.

[e304lyfe]

what is so cheap about the quality of ground control?

i have only heard good things about their product (their customer service on the other hand.......)

it seems like a very popular setup used widely for both street and track.

[Brew]

what is so cheap about the quality of ground control?

i have only heard good things about their product (their customer service on the other hand.......)

it seems like a very popular setup used widely for both street and track.

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason, and a lot of people have problems with bottoming out. Personally, if I was to do it again, I would either get a 450f/650r 6" setup from GC or go with the KW coilovers and reinforce the rear shock towers.

[m42technic]

i have only heard good things about their product (their customer service on the other hand.......)

Sucks complete ass.

[Digitalwave]

Someone that is willing to let their springs get so bad that they look like that is just asking for failure, and should not be surprised when the spring just disintegrates.

[e9nine]

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason, and a lot of people have problems with bottoming out. Personally, if I was to do it again, I would either get a 450f/650r 6" setup from GC or go with the KW coilovers and reinforce the rear shock towers.

I think the issue with GC is short supply. They will recommend a rate to you JUST BECAUSE that's what they have in stock. IF you are cool with them, they will tell you to wait till they get the right rates in stock....If you get the grumpy dude who answers the phone..chances are you will want to go elsewhere to buy your COs :roll:

[trent]

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason,

Maybe because they know how to setup a car correctly and too many stupid kids things that insane high spring rates are the FULL RACEEEEEEEEEEEe.

Every B&G product I have seen from them I believe to be poor quality. BTW, they are local to San Diego.

[Brew]

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason,

Maybe because they know how to setup a car correctly and too many stupid kids things that insane high spring rates are the FULL RACEEEEEEEEEEEe.

Every B&G product I have seen from them I believe to be poor quality. BTW, they are local to San Diego.

I know I'm not the only one with bottoming-out issues, but you're right, I'm sure they know way more than I do about suspension setups.

[e304lyfe]

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason,

Maybe because they know how to setup a car correctly and too many stupid kids things that insane high spring rates are the FULL RACEEEEEEEEEEEe.

so you think thats ok....???

they should recommend rates, and sell you WHAT YOU WANT. i don't think there is EVER an excuse for selling something other then what you request.

if they think you are making such a horrible decision with the chosen rates, then they should tell you the rates are too harsh (or soft...), but in the end, the decision should be in the hands of the customer.

[Z3Jonathan]

I think the only issue with the GC setup is the fact that they try and push everyone into softer rates and shorter springs for some reason,

Maybe because they know how to setup a car correctly and too many stupid kids things that insane high spring rates are the FULL RACEEEEEEEEEEEe.

Every B&G product I have seen from them I believe to be poor quality. BTW, they are local to San Diego.

I know I'm not the only one with bottoming-out issues, but you're right, I'm sure they know way more than I do about suspension setups.

It doesn't help that the rear adjusters reduce the compression travel. Doesn't TC Kline sell H+R Adjusters? Maybe those have more compression travel.

There is nothing "wrong" with running softish rates on the street... I don't see running a stiffer rate to compensate for poor design as a viable solution.

[rayz]

they only problem i have with my GC's is that the rear sleve is hard to adjust. the threads have gotten damaged somehow.

[Rob]

Someone that is willing to let their springs get so bad that they look like that is just asking for failure, and should not be surprised when the spring just disintegrates.

that was on an 02 CL though, so the spring could be on the street for a maximum of what, 3 years?

[Digitalwave]

Someone that is willing to let their springs get so bad that they look like that is just asking for failure, and should not be surprised when the spring just disintegrates.

that was on an 02 CL though, so the spring could be on the street for a maximum of what, 3 years?

Do you really think he never saw his springs for those 3 years after he installed them though?