A long thanksgiving break......

[jamiholzbach]

Nice!

Fiddle, how many of these swaps have you done? Looks like you've got it down to a science.;)

[RedStar240]

Yeah we have developed out own e30 cohort of people. And we all hang out on the weekends and just drive around in our e30s haha.

[Fidhle007]

Don't forget we also fuck sheep...

[Motorsports]

I think there is a huge difference in the fact that the M20 only has 12 valves while the M50 has 24V.

[RedStar240]

Yup LARGE...

[Javier h]

Thanks

guys i know about the inherent differences between these engines but a timing belt (or lack of there of does NOT increase horsepower or make these cars any faster). Lets not forget single cam M10s.

About the only response that addressed my question was the "delivery" one. Again 20 hps I just don't see it but I guess its about time I just drove an m50 driven e30.

Thanks...

[craiggroves91]

Whats the average cost for an m50 swap?

[Fidhle007]

Fiddle, how many of these swaps have you done? Looks like you've got it down to a science.;)

Well technically only two but I've been a tech for over three years so it's all in the same skillset. :D

guys i know about the inherent differences between these engines but a timing belt (or lack of there of does NOT increase horsepower or make these cars any faster). Lets not forget single cam M10s.

About the only response that addressed my question was the "delivery" one. Again 20 hps I just don't see it but I guess its about time I just drove an m50 driven e30.

Thanks...

No one ever said a timing belt made a car faster or slower, it simply is one less thing to BREAK. The M50 motor is different technology: dual valves, dual cams, variable cam and ignition timing, multi-coil ignition, more advanced engine management, better intake design, a much less restrictive MAF setup, etc... You're talking about ten years of R&D between the two motors but even if you ignore that, the mileage along makes it worth the effort.

Whats the average cost for an m50 swap?

I'd say $2k+ if you do all your own work but it can be done for less. RedStar is out about $1600 plus a lifetime of servitude to me...

[RedStar240]

Well technically only two but I've been a tech for over three years so it's all in the same skillset. :D



No one ever said a timing belt made a car faster or slower, it simply is one less thing to BREAK. The M50 motor is different technology: dual valves, dual cams, variable cam and ignition timing, multi-coil ignition, more advanced engine management, better intake design, a much less restrictive MAF setup, etc... You're talking about ten years of R&D between the two motors but even if you ignore that, the mileage along makes it worth the effort.


I'd say $2k+ if you do all your own work but it can be done for less. RedStar is out about $1600 plus a lifetime of servitude to me...

Sums it all up minus the lifetime of servitude. Bdo owed me for his s50 swap and now i owe him and ill help him with his s50 swap, then he will owe me we basically just switch off the Slave and master really changes up the e30 nights with the cohort.

[RedStar240]

guys i know about the inherent differences between these engines but a timing belt (or lack of there of does NOT increase horsepower or make these cars any faster). Lets not forget single cam M10s.

About the only response that addressed my question was the "delivery" one. Again 20 hps I just don't see it but I guess its about time I just drove an m50 driven e30.

Thanks...

Are you telling me that if you had a really really old car that had a great body you wouldn't want to upgrade the motor for a very little money. To ten years ahead. From an engineering stand point its just simple common sense not to mention the minor modifications i can do to the m50 and have a massive horse power gain. So until you study through 5 years of engineering school. Don't judge my choices. Its not my fault you drive a snail e30. Drop some s50 cams, chip there is like huge gain right there...... Experience life a bit.

[325ix]

nice car. I like the wheels

[mikeedler]

Timing belt vs. timing chain and don't have to worry about breaking rocker arms.

for christs sake!!! is it really that hard to spend 2 hours every 4 years and change a belt???????????-- and if you would change your worn ass valve springs, rockerarms don't break!!

I love the idea of a M50/52 in an e30-- and I live in germany I could have honestly have at least 3 tomorrow for free if I wanted---- but no thanks-- I don't for one second believe the couple of hp with the bit more weight makes THAT much of a difference.........

and please ...a chip does just as little for those motors as it does for a M20-- and 2 almost stock cams or buy 2 new cams-- double the price VS. 1 dibilias cam for 1/2 the price is going to bring pretty close to the same gain.
i just don't buy it.



and nothing sounds nicer than a raw ass M20 screaming at 5500rpm with a hollowed out airbox!!!!!!

end!

looks like a nice swap to go along with a nice car-- I dig the swaps, I just don't think its the thing for me

[Fidhle007]

It doesn't have to be your thing Mike, but the increase really has to be felt to be understood. Also the weight thing is bullshit. If like Ben here, myself and many others, you delete the A/C system the weight stays the same. My car actually LOST 50lbs when I swapped in my S50... :-)