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[rwh11385]

Maybach, don't act like that wasn't a factor. you could have just gotten a nice cheaper DA


I would have gone with a WRX or Evo. Neither FWD. And not all drivers I see in those caris are just some punk kid or fat guy street racing. Oh well, whatever floats your boat.....just as long as you don't fit that description.

[armeN]

glad to see some people have accepted the car... i was expecting more hate. Just for the record dyno charts say 238hp to the wheels. bone stock. The booost is really really fun haha. It's like mini nos. Still breaking in the turbo but having fun with it none the less. I can handle my payments and insurance with a lot of room to spare so im good. I got the car for pretty much employee price the dealer made about $200 from the sale. I have a 6 year bumper to bumper warrenty on the car. I'm set and I'll keep you guys posted on mods which I just made dumped quite a bit of money into. The one thing I love is that the mods are very cheap compared to e30 and covered under warrenty muhahahha.

[Giorgio]

It has more stock horsepower than any stock E30

Evo III

Just for the record dyno charts say 238hp to the wheels. bone stock.

I really don't see how that is possible when it comes off the line at 230bhp, please help me out here, i'm confused, because those are two COMPLETELY different numbers.

[armeN]

yea where did u get ur number from the dealer? ..... I'm not trying to boast about the car or anything I'm must stating some facts that I found.

[Ducati]

...I'm not trying to boast about the car or anything...

Yeah you are, or else you wouldn't of bought the car, and you wouldn't of posted the pics; and you wouldn't of been here. So yeah you are boasting and braggin. ;)

[Rob]

"FWD sucks" was not even on a very long list of why I got rid of it, but whatever, this isn't my thread.

[Bimmerfanatik]

It has more stock horsepower than any stock E30

Evo III

Just for the record dyno charts say 238hp to the wheels. bone stock.

I really don't see how that is possible when it comes off the line at 230bhp, please help me out here, i'm confused, because those are two COMPLETELY different numbers.

I guess I needed to specify non-M. Thought that was given, but there, now it's said.

It comes off the line on paper at 230. It's grossly underrated - as said earlier. There are some that have dynoed it straight from the showroom floor with as much as 238 and more.

PS - Heeter, you've been back all of what, 5 minutes? Why try and already get Rob or anyone else fired up? Let it go man - s'not worth it ;)

[Jarvis]

My opinion about these cars vary from case to case.
I don't like it when I see kids that buy orange or yellow (or any other obnoxious hey-look-at-me-I'm-a-huge-douchebag colors) SRT4's and drive around gangsta style looking for street races.
Then there's a kid in my BMW tech class with a 2004 SRT4, black, black wheels, tinted windows, and deleted rear wing. The thing is a sleeper and I can respect that. But damn those things are loud. Not bad-loud, like 1.7L Civic motors with fart can mufflers, just very very high decible loud. They actually sound pretty good for a 4cyl. Especially a turbo one.

[Mystikal]

The ignorance got to me.

I saw a stock 2004 240hp Honda Accord Coupe 6-speed beating a whole crew of these SRT-4s...

...and an SRT-8 300C will smoke them all. As the price of a car goes up, so does the capability; that is not a fair comparison. An SRT-4 costs as much as a 4-banger Accord, race those.

SRT4 are fast...

BUT its a FWD NEON anyway u look at it... 8)

...and an E30 is still a 15+ year old POS anyway you look at it. If you want "street credibility" or whatever you were getting at here, owning an E30 probably isn't the best choice. I know in my area an SRT-4 gets a lot more "oooohs" as it pulls into a ricer lot than my shitbox. Hell, if I lined my car next to an SRT-4 in the staging area of the local track with real junkies I'm sure the SRT would draw more attention when the hoods open.

Not to pick on you but I think he cares what car he drives, otherwise he wouldn't have posted on a topic before comparing the SRT vs the M3... or posting this topic of his new purchase....

Your comment about SRT4 > 99.9% E30s is very broad..... ofcourse we can argue all day long about which is better and which is not or which is faster or which is slower... but way to compare a (almost) 20 year old car to a brand new one...

My comment wasn't directed at the SRT-4 owner, I think it's already established he isn't the brightest crayon in the box. I'm speaking on the onslaught of insults from E30 owners on here, non of which whom own a car that is actually superior to the SRT-4 in any way. Yes, I said it. Sure an E30 was a well built finely tuned machine from the factory in 1991, but with the hackjob repairs and neglected maintenance schedules I'm confident that the vast majority of E30s today are in poorer quality than any SRT-4. And if you actually want to rebuild it to the state of factory integrity, you could probably buy an SRT-4 for less money anyways and have a warranty to boot. And to reply to your last statement, I am comparing a 20 year old car to a brand new one because owners of these 20 year old beaters (sorry, "project cars") seem to think they are of some elite social class of car enthusiasts and that they have the right to put down a car that is so much better in so mant ways. That's not right.

It has more stock horsepower than any stock E30

Evo III

There is no stock Evo III out there that puts down as much power to the ground as a stock SRT-4. Hell, there are probably less than 5 S14s with more than 50 hours of life expectancy that can come close to the power of a factory-built Mopar Stage III SRT-4. And you know the Dodge would be significantly more reliable at that point.

Anwyays I don't know why I let you all get to me. I'm gonna go back to letting my anger out on local solicitors. Sorry about that.

[golde30]

The ignorance got to me.

SRT4 are fast...

BUT its a FWD NEON anyway u look at it... 8)

...and an E30 is still a 15+ year old POS anyway you look at it. If you want "street credibility" or whatever you were getting at here, owning an E30 probably isn't the best choice. I know in my area an SRT-4 gets a lot more "oooohs" as it pulls into a ricer lot than my shitbox. Hell, if I lined my car next to an SRT-4 in the staging area of the local track with real junkies I'm sure the SRT would draw more attention when the hoods open.

has nothing to do with "street cred" or whatever the hell yer talking about. I , as in ME, dont consider FWD neons performance vehicles. how is it any different from throwing a turbo b16 into a civic 4door sedan. they will both be just as fast.

as for the "15 year old e30" comment. i could care less about my e30, its obviously a beater that I thrash around. my real car is an '83 datsun that is fit'n'pretty to look at. not to mention that no1 else has one that looks even close to it. 8) for me origionality = cool.

[jgentile]

There is no stock Evo III out there that puts down as much power to the ground as a stock SRT-4. Hell, there are probably less than 5 S14s with more than 50 hours of life expectancy that can come close to the power of a factory-built Mopar Stage III SRT-4. And you know the Dodge would be significantly more reliable at that point.

For one thing, you cannot compare forced induction with natural aspiration. Second off, there are SRT4s with about 15 hp shy of an S14B25. And third off just becuase i'm kind of, just kind of, pissed, front wheel drive was introduced by Volkswagon to keep costs down as low as possible, that sais a lot about front wheel drive.

[armeN]

i just think most people here caved to strictly e30s and cant see past it.... its really sad.... i love e30s but I can see past it to other good cars without saying shit like "Oh its a nice car but its no e30... yea man e30 all the way blah blah blah lbah blah blahblahblahblah" Get out of your cave. I had a very clean e30 and it doesnt turn as much heads as this car. Love both cars dont get me wrong but Im just pointing out the fact that some people are too blind to see past e30s.

[mikeedler]

2 good friends of mine have SRT-4s, I personally have some respect for the cars power, but thats about it. they are fast, but how long will those cars hold together, a regular neon usually dies after 5 years with 100 less hp. the SRT4 beat my M3 on the 1/4 mile by .4 tenths which aint that much, especially for a car that is 19 years newer. the srt4 is a very cheaply assembled economy car with a good motor they are falling apart as soon as they come off the showroom floor, but for the money, what do you expect. I dont hate or love the cars(SRT4) but i think that there is no comparison to a BMW its just E30s are really old now. but the quality of my wifes E46 to the quality of a SRT4 is no real comparison, but the prices are a huge difference too....


the real question is????? how many SRT-4s will be around when they are 15-20 years old? Ill bet very few.

[rwh11385]

If you want "street credibility" or whatever you were getting at here, owning an E30 probably isn't the best choice.

:rofl: :rofl: true story.

street cred is for ricers. a POS 15 year old is tight if you have cheap RWD. and somewhat reliable / cheap to own, cheap to buy. example of a car that is tight, but hated on and has no street cred: Miata. I'd rather be in a Miata rather than a SRT4 anyday.

I'm with Armen the majority of the board cant see past the mystic of the E30..... but the SRT4 is still a cheap POS that most kids just street race with and impress ricers.

Still, the E30 is a great performance car on a budget. Or else SportsCar wouldn't include it in their 5 top sports cars under $5K: Mazda Miata, BMW E30, Toyota MR2, VW GTI, and Mazda RX-7.

I think a true ethusiant shouldn't care what the car looks like or how much attention it gets. They should care about what they want from a car, and how cheap they can get it (so they can spend more on mods, or something good like more Auto-X entry fees). Majority of this board might not appreciate how good a Z06 is just because it's a GM plastic car.

I think, because I've seen the topic in many new magazines, that budget cars that can perform are the new hot ticket. Maybe people just grew up from bling, or they realized they can get more from their wallet if they get a nice used car with potential. (budget cars are on the rise in popularity to my eyes):



10 Best for under $10K:
MR2 Turbo
240SX
300ZX
Sentra SE-R / 200SX SE-R
MX-5 Miata
Eclipse GSX
Integra GSR
RX-7
Impreza 2.5 RS
GTI VR6

Also a very similar cover on a recent Super Street. And the SportsCar article. And GRM's 2005 Challenge.

GRM August 2002: Best car for any budget.
Auto-X for $10,000: "The E30-chassis BMW 325is is a performance bargain on used car lots around the country and a fearsome competitor when prepped right. .... Can be found for less than $3000, leaving $7000 for a thorough rebuild and preparation."


I'll give the SRT4 props for being CHEAP PERFORMANCE, but the problem is most people only car about cruising ricer lots and then street racing..... if more people made use of them like most Evo or WRX drivers I see, I'd have better respect for them and their owners.

[1985bmw325e]

The ignorance got to me.

I saw a stock 2004 240hp Honda Accord Coupe 6-speed beating a whole crew of these SRT-4s...

...and an SRT-8 300C will smoke them all. As the price of a car goes up, so does the capability; that is not a fair comparison. An SRT-4 costs as much as a 4-banger Accord, race those.

SRT4 are fast...

BUT its a FWD NEON anyway u look at it... 8)

...and an E30 is still a 15+ year old POS anyway you look at it. If you want "street credibility" or whatever you were getting at here, owning an E30 probably isn't the best choice. I know in my area an SRT-4 gets a lot more "oooohs" as it pulls into a ricer lot than my shitbox. Hell, if I lined my car next to an SRT-4 in the staging area of the local track with real junkies I'm sure the SRT would draw more attention when the hoods open.

Not to pick on you but I think he cares what car he drives, otherwise he wouldn't have posted on a topic before comparing the SRT vs the M3... or posting this topic of his new purchase....

Your comment about SRT4 > 99.9% E30s is very broad..... ofcourse we can argue all day long about which is better and which is not or which is faster or which is slower... but way to compare a (almost) 20 year old car to a brand new one...

My comment wasn't directed at the SRT-4 owner, I think it's already established he isn't the brightest crayon in the box. I'm speaking on the onslaught of insults from E30 owners on here, non of which whom own a car that is actually superior to the SRT-4 in any way. Yes, I said it. Sure an E30 was a well built finely tuned machine from the factory in 1991, but with the hackjob repairs and neglected maintenance schedules I'm confident that the vast majority of E30s today are in poorer quality than any SRT-4. And if you actually want to rebuild it to the state of factory integrity, you could probably buy an SRT-4 for less money anyways and have a warranty to boot. And to reply to your last statement, I am comparing a 20 year old car to a brand new one because owners of these 20 year old beaters (sorry, "project cars") seem to think they are of some elite social class of car enthusiasts and that they have the right to put down a car that is so much better in so mant ways. That's not right.

i dont think that people on these forums think that e30s are god, because we can all agree that srt-4's are faster than all our cars and could beat on our cars all day long. However, just because you have e30 owners bashing on this ugly car doesn't not imply that they believe their beloved e30 is god compared to it. Sure these srt-4s are quick, but the opinions of these members are strictly based on what they look for in a car. Obviously, the srt 4 is not many of the member's cup of tea (including mine) because of its cheaply made, american garbage. And, the fact that it is FWD, and how terribly ugly that thing is. Sure there is many other reasons, but that pretty much sums it all up.


On the other hand, everyone has their own perspective and what they really look for in a car. If you want a very fast, cheap, ugly dodge then buy it. It's what you like right?

if you like a cheaper car that is rwd then you have the e30.

My personal opinion is that i'd never drive one of these things. For the price range, IMHO, there is money better spent on other cars. Cars that are better quality, more reliable, and simply, not as ugly as a neon. There is just too many stupid teenagers in this car that try and race every goddamn moving thing on the freeway for me to even consider these to buy.

My friend bought one of these cars, and 5 months into owning it, it's had more problems in 5 months than my e30 has.


Hell, maybe i shoudl just buy a Honda Odyssey and supercharge it to see what people would say. I'm sure as hell that i'd be one quick ass van that can probably kill 350z's and the like 8)