my own personal hell

[nando]

lol

[PeaveyBassist]

http://www.pure-pf.com/

[Bimmerman325i]

i don't think anyone gets what my ultimate goal is

my goal is to see what an m20 can do in its ultimate form. not to get the most power but to get the most power from an m20 for road course use. i know there are better motors out there but i wanna see what an m20 can do. simple as that.

And I don't think you get why we all are laughing so much.

Getting an M20 to its ultimate form will cost an assload of money. Using ebay parts and custom half-assed parts is not how to go about it.

I once priced out how much it would cost for an NA VAC Motorsports 3L stroker. Since you're clearly unaware of anything regarding M20s, or shops, VAC turns out insanely powerful motors like clockwork. Figure the build I had in mind would be ~250-280 bhp NA. It came to nearly $20k in parts alone--I would just be doing all the motor building labor. Slap a turbo on that properly and you're adding another $5-10k when tuning, EMS, and parts fab is taken into account. I clearly have not pursued this further.

Your goals and your methodology are at cross purposes. If you are going to build a motor, do it properly. Don't half ass it like you are doing. But, you've proven your great intelligence, and so I don't think you're going to listen to anything we have been, are, and will be saying.

[Fidhle007]

And I don't think you get why we all are laughing so much.

Getting an M20 to its ultimate form will cost an assload of money. Using ebay parts and custom half-assed parts is not how to go about it.

I once priced out how much it would cost for an NA VAC Motorsports 3L stroker. Since you're clearly unaware of anything regarding M20s, or shops, VAC turns out insanely powerful motors like clockwork. Figure the build I had in mind would be ~250-280 bhp NA. It came to nearly $20k in parts alone--I would just be doing all the motor building labor. Slap a turbo on that properly and you're adding another $5-10k when tuning, EMS, and parts fab is taken into account. I clearly have not pursued this further.

Your goals and your methodology are at cross purposes. If you are going to build a motor, do it properly. Don't half ass it like you are doing. But, you've proven your great intelligence, and so I don't think you're going to listen to anything we have been, are, and will be saying.

$20k for 250hp. Hmm, my s50 cause $2k and makes at least that with simple bolt ons....

[Bin_jammin]

It just never stops, does it? He's not even human.

[scabzzzz]

i don't think anyone gets what my ultimate goal is

my goal is to see what an m20 can do in its ultimate form. not to get the most power but to get the most power from an m20 for road course use. i know there are better motors out there but i wanna see what an m20 can do. simple as that.

you have the fucking internet. use it and stop acting like you're urban trailblazing anything for fucks sake. god damnit

[Bimmerman325i]

$20k for 250hp. Hmm, my s50 cause $2k and makes at least that with simple bolt ons....

Yup. I didn't say it was the smart way to go, just how much it would cost to get there with an M20.

[nando]

you could probably do it much cheaper, but basically any off the shelf "the best the best of what's available" M20 is going to cost a fortune. and a junkyard build M20 is barely going to make more than stock.

I'm thinking digger's 260whp M20 cost him about $10k, but I don't know that for sure. His headers alone are almost $2,000 (but they are UBER headers). E30 guys like the cheesy made in china $100 fleabay headers (S50 or otherwise) so it's hard to compare some things directly...

[Bimmerman325i]

you could probably do it much cheaper, but basically any off the shelf "the best the best of what's available" M20 is going to cost a fortune. and a junkyard build M20 is barely going to make more than stock.

I'm thinking digger's 260whp M20 cost him about $10k, but I don't know that for sure. His headers alone are almost $2,000 (but they are UBER headers). E30 guys like the cheesy made in china $100 fleabay headers (S50 or otherwise) so it's hard to compare some things directly...

Exactly. I was looking at a Metric Mechanic motor (essentially Digger's) and it is about $10k for a comparable 173 DME tuned motor. I thought his only did 220whp though?

I'm fully in the motorswap camp though. As sick as an M20 build would be I just can't justify it.

[nando]

oh, right. it was ~160kw I think.. probably 260 crank. of course "only" 220whp is relative. Most swappers don't make that. :p

[Bimmerman325i]

True. Anything near 200 whp in these cars is stupid fun though, more is rather pointless.

Says the guy saving for an S54 swap.

[Fidhle007]

I'm barely getting 220rwhp based on what my G-Tech is telling me and that's with a chip, injectors, fleabay headers, straight pipes, 3.5" MAF and a hackjob intake. Running low 13 1/4 miles is fun though, especially since I have no traction in 1st or 2nd...

As far M20s go, my IX has completely restored my faith in them. I have a Conforti chip and no cat and the thing screams for what it is. Unless I go with a low boost upgrade there's no reason I can see doing anything to the motor that makes any financial sense when a swap is so easy. (Yeah yeah, ix v. rwd and so on but I'm just using it as an example.)

[structured]

If you are going to build a motor, do it properly. Don't half ass it like you are doing.

I have to disagree here. Feel free to half ass it, that's what most of us do, just don't kid yourself by saying you are taking the M20 to its ultimate form. That'll just make an ass of you and...well...you.

[ben312]

I could see myself doing a build like this. but it be to push the limits on a budget. Only reason I could justify it tho is the free shop time, the cheap materials cost(buying through schools account), and the getting grades for any fab work or build work I do. I'm going into the accident repair school so I wouldn't get any grade for swapping, but could get a grade for "rebuilding" a "broken" m20. And since one of my classes will be welding and fab, then I could get a grade for any fab work I do for the m20/boost setup. So it would be kinda a fun little school project. but would be set within a strict budget. What the OP is trying to do is dumb and funny. I would set myself on MAYBE 5k in parts. I would do a junkyard turbo on a 2.7i stroker and HOPE for 220rwhp. And I would be okay with anything I got over stock because the car would most likely be my DD for a while after school.

[nando]

220whp from a turbo M20 is weaksauce. Issac did that on a 200,000 mile bone stock M20B25 with broken rings.