my own personal hell

[Massive Lee]

Just as a side note, using motorcycle ITBs is nothing new, and has been done countless times. Especially with the 4 cylinder crowd in general, and the M10 fans in particular. GSXR-600 TBs are popular as they can be had for a song. But, they must be adapted. And this is where the hard work starts. Because the 6 thottles will need to be prefectly synchronized, they have to be firmly fitted (welded or bolted to the intake manifold), otherwise expect constant need for synchro. If an aluminum intake manifold doesn't exist, then it will need to be fabricated.

[Bin_jammin]

Rofl hose clamps! Totally ridiculous manifold, and you think that won't leak under boost?\


NOW shit's gotten funny!

[ortholithiation]

I want to see your shit working, but you are one stubborn fuck.

ITBs are not logical, I don't know why you have such a hard on for them.They don't really have any advantage except on a serious NA race engine.

No one runs ITBs for a turbo set up. Think about it, you are going from a single charge pipe to a 6 TBs? Why?

Have you ever worked on an ITB bike or quad carb’d motorcycle. Synchronizing is a real bitch, now you have 6. Hope you kept the vac ports on those.

The stock manifold is pretty good for a turbo setup. You are adding an unnecessary level of complication to this. Why are you not changing to a MAF and running a standalone or mega squirt.

If you really wanted to make a new manifold for your engine why not fabricate a short runner manifold. It should require less skill then a turbo ITB set up.

Oh wait your idea of ITBs is screwing a bunch of shit together with coolant hose.

Good luck getting motronic to work with ITBs.

BTW You want at least 3 boost gauges, that’s what all the pro star supra's and skylines run bra.

[Bishop]

Your sentence structure hurt my head.

[dirtysix]

I'm all for back-yard mechanics but god damn thats ugly.

Dont even wanna think about whats going on inside that thing.

[whatt18yahoo]

i know this thread has gotten long and it's aparent that none of you (except bishop) have been reading forr a while so i'll clarify it for you.

this is an MTI setup it will have a plenum and megasquirt -with a 4 bar map sensor

i have already synchronized the throttles and tested the thing for leaks under pressure.
i kept the stock vaccumeports on the throttlebodies and hollowed out the gsxr-1000 injectors and will be using the fuel rail as additional vaccume ports for the idle air control valve, crankcase evac, and the power assisted braking. in fact if i want ed to i am sure this thing could work with the motronic setup without any complications except for adjusting the throttle position sensor.

the hose clamps i'm using aree okay for now but i'll likely switch to t-bolts in the future, i used silicone sealant on the manifold side to help ensure a good seal as the manifold was in fact a hack job. most of you folks need to read the whole thread before you make blanket stupid statements. i will most certainly not need 3 boost gauges - thats stupid on a level not even you comrehend i mean 6 or 1 not 3. shut the fuck up unless you've read at least since page 8

[whatt18yahoo]

i need to bring some clarification to you people (as always)

1 every m- car has had an MTI setup.

2 most m cars get turbo'd if they get built

3 none of them have problems synchronizing the throttles just because they are MTI

4 shut the fuck up if you have never actually done it yourself (except bishop and APTYP, and i know i'm missing one other person sorry dude tell me who you are and i'll add you to this list.)

5 in my setup fundamentally (key word) nothing about my intake will change from the stock setup - EXCEPT i will be moving the intake away from the heat of the head of the engine. yes i will have 6 throttlebodies but that won't really change anything FUNDAMENTALLY.

6 go to hell this is supposed to be my own personal hell and it's getting crowded in here lol


7 woohoo over 900 posts and over 24,000 views in 6 months woohoo

[JTapper]

You do realize that out of the 24,000 views, everyone but you sees imminent failure in this project.

Usually when someone does something stupid in a project thread, and people who know what they're taking about offer suggestions, the OP takes their advice and usually changes course to a plan that will actually work.

Get your head checked buddy...I don't see that motor ever running with that ITB setup.

[Massive Lee]

7 woohoo over 900 posts and over 24,000 views in 6 months woohoo

You may realize that the 24,000 views might as well be 24,000 ... ;)

You count them as a measure of popularity, but they can also indicate the height of the fail...

[PeaveyBassist]

I've done an ITB setup before with gsxr1000 throttle bodies and I am in Indy. Add me to your list.

[Iain]

i need to bring some clarification to you people (as always)

1 every m- car has had an MTI setup.

2 most m cars get turbo'd if they get built

3 none of them have problems synchronizing the throttles just because they are MTI

1. Notice any other differences between every M car and your engine?

2. The good turbo M engines are also converted to a large, single throttle body at the start of the plenum. Funnily enough, that's also how the RB26DETT works, and how the big-hp Supras and VL Commodores out here also work. Individual runners to ports connected to a large plenum with an almost over-sized throttle body at the neck of the plenum, NOT individual throttle bodies.

3. They spend tens of millions of dollars in development and refining of the ECU's tune every single day, 12hrs a day, for 18 months. In comparison to them, you are a retarded ant-eater with $4.20 and about 35secs in your car.

4. There should be a pic of you in an encyclopedia next to the term "simpleton". I am taking perverse attraction watching your "build" thoroughly disappoint.

[nando]

i need to bring some clarification to you people (as always)

1 every m- car has had an MTI setup.

2 most m cars get turbo'd if they get built

3 none of them have problems synchronizing the throttles just because they are MTI

4 shut the fuck up if you have never actually done it yourself (except bishop and APTYP, and i know i'm missing one other person sorry dude tell me who you are and i'll add you to this list.)

5 in my setup fundamentally (key word) nothing about my intake will change from the stock setup - EXCEPT i will be moving the intake away from the heat of the head of the engine. yes i will have 6 throttlebodies but that won't really change anything FUNDAMENTALLY.

6 go to hell this is supposed to be my own personal hell and it's getting crowded in here lol


7 woohoo over 900 posts and over 24,000 views in 6 months woohoo

oh it's gonna have megasquirt*... Yikes. Good luck with that. I hope you have somebody ready to build and tune everything for you. I'll be amazed if you can even get it to start. Not looking forward to seeing your "help it's broken and I don't know how to fix it" posts on the MS forums.




*not dissing MS, it's quite fantastic, but it requires a certain skill set and dedication that this guy... lacks.

[whatt18yahoo]

does anyone here understand the meaning of fundamentally? this intake fundamentally isn't changing anything.

in any case peavey how'd your itb setup go or was it MTI??? and again how'd it run?

[Bimmerman325i]

does anyone here understand the meaning of fundamentally? this intake fundamentally isn't changing anything.

in any case peavey how'd your itb setup go or was it MTI??? and again how'd it run?

Wow, you've said some stupid stuff before....but this takes the cake. At least for today.

The intake you botched together will flow like crap, was constructed with no care for torque or power, just "ITB=WIN" mentality, and without any thought into a proper plenum design.

You keep saying you're in school for motorsports engineering, and you keep pretending to be an engineer, but how have you gotten this far in your craptacular build to NOT have thought "oh, let's apply engineering principles to this." Or at least "hm, I want a new plenum, let's do it right and figure out flow velocities, paths, and maximize torque and hp for a given rpm range."

In other words, for an "engineer," you're god awful at it. In case you're unaware, it is damn near impossible on the M20 to beat the factory manifold across the rev range without spending an assload of money in parts, fabrication, and tuning. ITBs don't add horsepower or much of anything. I pray you are playing armchair engineer, though if you aren't, that's one less person I have to worry about in the job market.

[PeaveyBassist]

ITB. Ran great. I used Motronic 1.3 with a RRFPR and 19 lb injectors. I attached the TPS to the back side of the throttle assembly by the firewall. I needed money for a while so I ended up selling it to a guy in Sweden. Its now on his turbo m20 car that makes 700hp. He has a setup that is similar to your's actually. Just needs the right tuning and boost to get that power.