3SGE BEAMS converted 89 E30///Stock as a rock 88 E30 325i Touring///

[super51fan]

Overlay looks a bit kack in my opinion.

Yeah the VVTI 1JZ would be a similar era and i have heard people have issues with those.

E46 is a very basic system in my opinion. People get hung up on things like EWS-DME communication but it is quite simple. Working for BMW i would not even be affraid of getting a BEAMS to work in a G30!

Really? The ones I have seen look factory, ill see if I can find a link.

Aristo is 2jz, 95% of imported 2jzs are from Aristos. I dont care for 1jz, they are great motors but for just a few hundred more you can have a 2jz.

Thats true, its simply sending multiple feeds of data instead of an analog feed. It wouldnt be hard to integrate with another bmw motor but not a 2jz without a an expensive standalone or wiring dual ecus. My uncles works at Toyota so I always have a backup mechanic if i am unable to fix something lol where as Im on my own with german motors

[kameleon]

Overlay looks a bit kack in my opinion.

Yeah the VVTI 1JZ would be a similar era and i have heard people have issues with those.

E46 is a very basic system in my opinion. People get hung up on things like EWS-DME communication but it is quite simple. Working for BMW i would not even be affraid of getting a BEAMS to work in a G30!

[super51fan]

The speedo is off the diff in a BMW so you do not use the speed sensor on the gearbox ala BEAMS.

You will obviously need a 4 cylinder coding plug and then vary your output resistance to show the rpm correctly from there. The factory gauge is very slow and i am yet to find a M3 version that has the right amount of RPM to display (currently goes off the clock)

Ecu in a BEAMS was a lot more advanced than any 2JZ AFAIK.

Engine swaps into any car are not that difficult mechanically. It is only ever the small electrical parts that become issues.

So the digital signal from the trans go to the ecu and the diff sensor to the cluster? That makes things easy.
Cant you use an ebay overlay for the tach? They make them up to 9000 rpms and are only $40.
The supra ecus are tame because its an older chassis but the aristo vvti ones are very similar to the beams.
Yep, getting them to run is just a few wires but getting everything to work takes more time for sure. I couldnt imagine 2jz swapping an e46 or newer with so many that reach to the moon AND canbus systems

[kameleon]

The speedo is off the diff in a BMW so you do not use the speed sensor on the gearbox ala BEAMS.

You will obviously need a 4 cylinder coding plug and then vary your output resistance to show the rpm correctly from there. The factory gauge is very slow and i am yet to find a M3 version that has the right amount of RPM to display (currently goes off the clock)

Ecu in a BEAMS was a lot more advanced than any 2JZ AFAIK.

Engine swaps into any car are not that difficult mechanically. It is only ever the small electrical parts that become issues.

[super51fan]

I have seen a few E30's converted since i have done mine but AFAIK my conversion is the only one that has full integration with the factory controls. The car is dumb and the BEAMS ecu is quite smart.

The BEAMS ecu uses a CAN network but it is their own type not an industry standard. It is not really an issue in a old car like an E30 though besides the AC circuit. If you want AC to work properly make your own circuit and do not rely on the ecu as it will not work easily.

Also because the speed signal from BMW to Toyota is a different output per revolution the car will feel like it hits a brick wall at 110kph if you do not have a speed cut defender installed because of the factory 180kph Japanese speed limiter thinking you are hitting that figure at a much lower speed.

There you go, there is some tricks!

I have been reading a lot about 2jz swaps in E30s and Im assuming a lot of the electronics are similar. It looks like the toyota electronics want ground to the ac where as the bmw send 12v (or the other way around) but that doesnt seem to hard to get around.
But the speedometer still reads correctly right? ill have to keep that in mind.
What about the tach? I have a 325e so I know I will have to do something about changing redline visually from 5k to 7.9k.
Does not seem too bad when comparing it other motor swaps on this forum.
Thanks!

[kameleon]

I have seen a few E30's converted since i have done mine but AFAIK my conversion is the only one that has full integration with the factory controls. The car is dumb and the BEAMS ecu is quite smart.

The BEAMS ecu uses a CAN network but it is their own type not an industry standard. It is not really an issue in a old car like an E30 though besides the AC circuit. If you want AC to work properly make your own circuit and do not rely on the ecu as it will not work easily.

Also because the speed signal from BMW to Toyota is a different output per revolution the car will feel like it hits a brick wall at 110kph if you do not have a speed cut defender installed because of the factory 180kph Japanese speed limiter thinking you are hitting that figure at a much lower speed.

There you go, there is some tricks!

[super51fan]

I have 5 cars, 2 of which are Toyota MR2's.

So you really are a true 3s fan!
I am accustomed to the Toyota inline 6 family (7m, 1jz, and 2jz).
Do you have any tips on getting everything to work like factory?

[kameleon]

I have 5 cars, 2 of which are Toyota MR2's.

[super51fan]

The car has been complete for about 5 years now. Was my daily driver for a long time too.

Has about 12 trackdays under its belt at various tracks around Australia which is a big place. Driven on many 3,000km roundtrips to be driven very hard in 40C trackdays.

Id say that is reliable?

That sounds awesome, I am glad you're making use of your car as intended instead of it being a garage queen. I have owned several RWD Toyotas and they have never let me down.

[kameleon]

The car has been complete for about 5 years now. Was my daily driver for a long time too.

Has about 12 trackdays under its belt at various tracks around Australia which is a big place. Driven on many 3,000km roundtrips to be driven very hard in 40C trackdays.

Id say that is reliable?

[super51fan]

I am sure it has been mentioned before....

Anyway custom bar, rewelded dropped mounts, custom links.

But its no good so may as well not bother copying that!

Thats a bummer that its still not to your liking. I have gotten word from an aftermarket parts company (I don't want to name drop if they don't follow through) will have an E30 in their shop to be custom fitted for 3s (and JZ) mounts and various other conversion parts. Thats some hope they can remedy a solution.

Nevertheless, have you been driving the car much and putting Toyota reliability to the test?

[kameleon]

I am sure it has been mentioned before....

Anyway custom bar, rewelded dropped mounts, custom links.

But its no good so may as well not bother copying that!

[super51fan]

Not at all sadly as the engine and bellhousing are in the way.

Have tried all of that in the past with the current swaybar also. Just a matter of making something right.

What is your current swaybar setup? I just reread everything and could not find where you mentioned what you did.
The swaybar and exhaust (LHD is going to be a tight squezze) are the only things holding me back from placing an order for the Beams/6speed set up

[kameleon]

Not at all sadly as the engine and bellhousing are in the way.

Have tried all of that in the past with the current swaybar also. Just a matter of making something right.

[super51fan]

Hi Super51fan,

Still need to revise this as i am not happy with what was made in the initial stages of the build. It is difficult to find someone local to tackle this that will not charge $1000 + even though it is a somewhat simple item to build.

Would a swayback spacer and adjustable endlinks work? I know a lot of guys run that setup for swaps with header fitment issues.
Also, are you running stock beams ecu?