Tinkerputzer's 3.1L m20 stroker and e30 build (Update on post 64)

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  • tinkerputzer
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    Well i suppose it's time for an update. Aside from installing the schrick 284/272 previously mentioned here's what i've been up to with the car.

    Refreshing the rearend. AKG 85A subframe bushings and AKG trailing arm bushings. Also installed stainless brake lines through out the entire car.



    Ran AKG 75D 12mm subframe riser bushings for a bit but didn't care for the added NVH and have since went back to the 85A's but flipped to get the subframe 6mm higher.

    Next up it was time to replace the tired slow original steering rack. Of course i went with a z3 1.9 for a nice quick ratio.


    At the time of install there seemed to be a lot of speculation on whether to put the rack spacers above or below the steering rack. I ended up putting them below and haven't had any noticeable bump steer.

    Made a new firewall plate to locate the steering shaft boot down to alleviate grommet riding issues.


    Also replaced the rotted steering shaft guibo with this.



    For a time i was bit by the autocross bug.


    During that time a few things became apparent. Bilstein sports are not up to the task of damping and contact patch is king in autocross.

    Revalved ix front inserts and e30 sport rears valved to turner jstock specs. Running 650F/750R spring rates.


    Shortened strut housings to accommodate the shorter inserts with m3 style sway bar endlink attach brackets.


    Spacer to go underneath the insert to take up the additional room in the housing. Made of ferrous material for easy extraction with a magnet.


    Ground control front camber plates and rear shock mounts.


    I don't why but i always liked this picture.


    It took me a few wheel and tire combo's but eventually i came to the conclusion i wanted to run 17x9's with 245's square, with out hacking fenders. This car was inspiration.


    Fitting 17x9 team dynamics pro race 1.2's with 245/40/17's. Tire pictured is a used tire for test fitting purposes. Ended up going with Hankook RS3V2's. With a bit of fender rolling, proper offset (et27 with 12mm spacer up front), and reasonable ride height they fit quite nicely. A bit of trimming to the front fender liners was required.




    Time to get rid of the hot air intake i've had since the new engine went in. I was wanting something with a relatively stock look. Ideally i'd have modded the stock air box but there just isn't much room there. Eventually i happened upon an early model with a stamped steel air box. Found out later it's also available in m20 powered e28's. I liked the potential it had and the weldability. While browsing around the yard i found a small bellmouth inside the airbox of a nissan something or other.
    Comparison to stock.



    Went through a few different ideas and eventually discovered that the expanded end of 3" slip fit exhaust pipe fits snugly inside the airbox upper plenum opening and that the nissan belmouth fits perfectly inside of that. So there it was my rough idea of an intake.

    Holes in expanded end to plug weld the bellmouth in place.


    Time to open up the airbox inlet to 3".


    Found this bellmouth inside the airbox of a 740 iirc for use forward of the engine bay heat shielding.


    View from behind the headlight.


    Finished product pre paint. Slightly different configuration than above.


    Time to head to the dyno to see if it's worth making pretty.

    Gained 1 ft/lb peak tq but lost 2 hp peak power.


    One thing to note is this wasn't exactly an accurate test. The dyno runs were done with the hood open giving the open intake cooler air than it would normally get should the hood be closed. I say this all works in the favor of the closed airbox though. Even so i'll take the unnoticeable 2 hp hit for better all around drivabilty. No more erratic idle and annoyingly loud induction noise.

    Finished Product


    Make no mistake, even though it's a closed intake when the car is at a stand still temps will climb regardless. Data logging revealed idling temps will creep up just as they would with the open intake just not quite as fast. Everything in the engine bay wants to become the same temp when it heat soaks. The advantage comes when it's time to take that first big gulp of air. Intake temps come down much faster and stabilize about 10* cooler at cruise than the open intake.

    Started to get a bit of inside wheel spin during autocross so it was time for a purpose built LSD. I also planned to replace the diff bearings at the same time. I won't make this a detailed how to as it's been covered pretty well by others but rather a general overview. Here's a couple links to some reference material.

    Great small case LSD build by Andrew from IE known as skifree on this forum.
    http://www.bmw2002faq.com/_/technica...tial-build-r74

    Detailed medium case build on ohiobimmers. Must register to view but it's worth it.
    http://www.ohiobimmers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3624

    If you were previously unaware the LSD's that came in our cars were manufactured by ZF. ZF called it the Lok-O-Matic. ZF also provides LSD's to other auto manufacturers, such as porsche, alfa, ford uk, and many others, so there are a lot of resources out there outside of the bmw realm.

    ZF overview document on the lok-o-matic


    ZF lok-o-matic tech spec document all in german. If anybody has this doc in english please share.


    Here's a page out of the above doc but in english that shows how ramp angles and disc configuration effect lock.


    Video explaining how clutch/pressure ring type LSD's work


    E30's came stock with a 2 friction disk 25% lock LSD's which corresponds with Fig A above. That would be 45* ramps on accel and decel. I decided to build a 4 friction disk unit with 30* ramps on accel and 90* ramps on decel essentially making a 75%/0% LSD. Or, what some might call a 1 way LSD. The 30* ramps are on the accel side to provide additional lock while the 90* ramps on the decel side lower decel lock to act more like an open diff to help with turn in.

    Sourced a decent 3.73 LSD core.


    LSD unit out...


    ...and apart.


    4 disk stack with 30/90 ramps machined by diffsonline.


    In order to add the 2 additional friction discs at approximately 2mm each and 2 additional dog eared plates at approximately 2mm each we need to remove 8mm from the LSD housing. 4mm on each side. This is done by removing a 4mm spacer from the bottom of the LSD housing and also removing 4mm of material from the LSD housing end cap.

    4mm spacer removed from the bottom of the LSD unit.



    4mm of material removed from the LSD end cap. Not my pic but shows additional material removed.


    Here's mine.


    I don't have any pics while assembling the LSD but it's pretty straight forward. Take your time and make sure all parts are lubed adequately.

    Checking break-away torque. IIRC mine was about 80 ft/lbs. This was with the plates lubed with 75w140NS fluid. Should be about perfect with friction modifiers added.


    The rest of the diff rebuild went as expected. I'm not going to cover it just follow the TIS and you can't go wrong. I will mention a few tips i learned though.

    Obviously you're going to need some special tooling for this job. I found everything i needed at harbor freight for under $200. This included the 12 ton press, bearing race and seal drivers, and a couple bearing splitters. The rest i made.

    Examples of tools for holding the pinion and checking LSD break-away torque but also carrier preload.


    Wet sharpie ink works well for checking the contact pattern.



    Crush sleeve which allows for precise preload of the pinion bearings. The window from a little too little preload to a little too much is tiny and it's extremely easy to over shoot. Make sure to order extra's.


    Pinion nut scribe marks made before disassembly happened to line up after pinion was preloaded so use that as an indicator of nearing the preload range.


    For pressing the new bearings in with out damaging them use the old bearings inner collar. To do this cut the cage off the old bearing and open up the ID with a sanding drum until it slides over the applicable shaft. Now you have an adapter perfectly suited for each bearing.






    That's that for the diff. Performance is as expected. A nice amount of lock on acceleration and great turn in. Also no more dreaded inside wheel spin.

    Well that pretty much brings us up to the current state of the car. I've been enjoying it for now, but we'll see what the future holds ;)

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  • digger
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    Originally posted by tinkerputzer
    Nice job digger :up:

    I can see the m3 harness cover i have is going to give me trouble fitting itb's. Wonder if facing the trumpets forward would work?
    you could use an elbow of sorts to change the angle and point them forwards but it will more difficult to make a plenum perhaps. also number one is very close to the hood.

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  • craz azn
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    Originally posted by digger
    hope nobody gets their panties in a bunch over linking to the bad forum

    http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=111
    Nice work digger!!

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  • tinkerputzer
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    Originally posted by digger
    hope nobody gets their panties in a bunch over linking to the bad forum

    http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=111
    Nice job digger :up:



    I can see the m3 harness cover i have is going to give me trouble fitting itb's. Wonder if facing the trumpets forward would work?

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  • LJ851
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    Originally posted by digger
    hope nobody gets their panties in a bunch over linking to the bad forum

    http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=111

    Awesome, digger. I would love to do the same on a built M30.

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  • digger
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    hope nobody gets their panties in a bunch over linking to the bad forum

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  • digger
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    my baseline was down on what it was at its best due to various reasons but it is apples to apples comparison. My stock intake is along way from stock to and was still alot better.

    my PC died so will do it in next few days when i am up and running properly

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  • tinkerputzer
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    Originally posted by digger
    i would look at a set of ITB that will give probably 20whp peak and give a much more useable rpm before adding anymore duration to the stock manifold
    Makes perfect sense. Looking forward to seeing the dyno sheet that compares stock intake vs itb's on your old engine ;)

    hey are the oil pan gaskets you used cork or rubber? if rubber where did you get them
    Paper

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  • dustyperez
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    hey are the oil pan gaskets you used cork or rubber? if rubber where did you get them

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  • digger
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    it gets more complicated with asymmetric lobes;) well a split cam should have slightly better idle, emissions perhaps bottom end etc due to less overlap but empirical data suggests that you choke the engine and end up with too much residual exhaust cause when it comes around to the inlet part of the cycle. usually you look at intake to exhaust flow %. its alot more complicated though anything to do with the exhaust is

    i would look at a set of ITB that will give probably 20whp peak and give a much more useable rpm before adding anymore duration to the stock manifold

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  • tinkerputzer
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    Schrick advertises it as 284/272/110. The 110 refers to peak timing. Their definition of peak timing is this: Peak timing is shown as °Crankshaft and defines the angle between the gas exchange TDC and the lobe center line of the inlet or exhaust valves.

    Back when i installed the cam for some reason i interpreted this as LSA which makes no sense because LSA is built into the cam and tells you nothing on how the cam should be installed. What it really means is um "lobe center" like it says. Don't know how i misinterpreted that but oh well.

    Lets take my numbers from .050" to find lobe centers (they should be 110).

    Intake: 11+46+180=237/2=118.5-11=107.5
    Exhaust: 48+(-1)+180=227/2=113.5+1=114.5

    Retard the cam by 3 degrees

    Intake: 8+49+180=237/2=118.5-8=110.5
    Exhaust: 45+2+180=227/2=113.5-2=111.5

    The conclusion i draw from this is the cam was 3-4 degrees advanced when i installed it. So i guess when i dialed the cam in at the dyno i put back to where it should have been installed in the first place.

    Digger you make me want to try a schrick 288/288. I wish schrick made a 284/284 though. So what is the actual advantage of a split duration cam?

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  • digger
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    Originally posted by nando
    I'm pretty certain Schrick published their LSA figures for all the M20 cams, don't remember what it was off the top of my head though.
    they 284/272 is 110 iirc which is a good area to be in for that cam.
    when you start adding duration you want to tighten it up unless you have alot more compression to avoid bleeding off too much pressure (DCR effect).

    you need good headflow with a wide lSA and alot of duration since the operating rpm of the engine goes up and the head needs to flow well to match the higher rpm.

    with the MM rally cam the power was biased to the topend but not really any higher than a traditional cam would provide and midrange suffered. even now my engine is extremely sensitive to exhaust changes and i feel it the exhaust port on the MM head which has less work done and small duration are the cause

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  • nando
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    I'm pretty certain Schrick published their LSA figures for all the M20 cams, don't remember what it was off the top of my head though.

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  • digger
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    Originally posted by nando
    what's the peak valve lift on the MM cam?

    looks like what you'd expect - the schrick has more overlap and closes the intake valve much later (why it makes more top end power), and the MM cam has a typical wide LSA (better emissions).

    personally I don't see that a 3.1l needs a lot more additional low end grunt - your motor makes more torque at 2000rpm than mine does at peak. the MM cam seems to fall pretty well flat on it's face which is too bad because there's no reason to be afraid to rev the engine to at least 7k.
    you cant tell which closes later from those numbers they have the same closing point at 0.012" and 0.050". its almost like the closing part is the same and the added duration comes from opening sooner which just increases overlap but usually you would get a midrange boost. i think the exhaust duration gives the topend gain. split duration cams are never going to make good hp unless the head is ported in a way that suits this. the exhaust port on the m20 is just not good enough out of the box to get away with low exhaust duration even with a good low back pressure and tuned exhaust.

    in anycase from memory the rally cam was about 120 degree separation if not slightly more

    i don't trust much MM says these days.....even when i had my head flow tested in 2008/09 it didn't live upto what they they claimed....i need to try and find the numbers several harddrive crashes mean i am not sure where it is. my next head flows atleast 20% more both inlet and exhaust and flow keeps going upto all the way to 0.700" so should be good for quite a bit more than 300bhp
    Last edited by digger; 02-24-2014, 12:17 PM.

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  • tinkerputzer
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    Some day

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