E28: Eggenberger Group A E28 Tribute Build Thread

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  • SpasticDwarf
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    I've really grown to enjoy the ins and outs of roll cage and chassis design, and while I am very far from a pro, I'm happy with the outcome on the E28. It's one of the places I took some creative liberties from the original Group A cars, all in the name of safety. The Eggenberger E28s all ran bolt-in roll cages, and while they can be safe, I prefer something that is safe. However, I did source a copy of the 1985 FIA Group A rulebook, and built the cage to spec, preserving some sense of authenticity.





    Inarguably, the most important aspect of cage design is strength and integrity, and while there's an immense amount of wonderful rollcage fabrication out there (and all far better than mine, no doubt), it's the place I see skimped out on most often as I peruse threads and facebook groups. More often than not, "cage builders" seem to skip building proper nodes - where tubes meet - in favor of quicker fabrication. Is it safe? Yeah, probably. But is it right? No, not by my book at least. It doesn't mean you or your cage is wrong, it's just not how I like to work.

    An example of what I'm talking about (seen on an E36 sedan, from google images). None of the tubes "intersect." The door bar is below the belt bar, the diagonal misses the rear braces, etc, as does the a-pillar bar. Each of these tubes dead-ends into another perpendicular tube.



    You'll see none of the tubes actually meet each other. It's quicker to build this way, but it provides poor load paths in the event of an accident. It also doesn't look very nice. The photo below is one of the few reference photos I have of the actual E28 Group A roll cage - bolted together, and also not incredibly well designed.



    You can see in this picture, of my cage, a general idea of my layout and noding. Every tube meets another, "noding" correctly. Again, it may not be important to others, but it was to me, so I spent a lot of time getting it right.



    I wish I had taken more photos of stripping the interior itself, but I didn't. It was, by far, the most laborious part of the whole build. Removing the sound deadener and the adhesive for it was a monumental task that took several long nights of scrubbing - the best chemical I found for it was Xylene, which is an adhesive dissolver. It took a few of us to get the job done. The common "dry ice" trick does not work at all on E28s, and I'd imagine it goes for other BMWs as well. Good luck to you if you decide to strip your interior and repaint it. It was an awful job, and probably a month long from start to finish, including the cage build too.

    For my roll cage, I opted to build atop plinth boxes, which are a bit stronger than attaching directly to the floor, and they allow the cage to be dropped away from the roof for final welding. Here's a bit of before and after for a front and rear plinth box.



    Here's one in place - this one's on the driver's rear. All four plinth boxes are slightly different due to asymmetry in the floor pan. For the finished cage, there is a base plate to each plinth box - it is not welded directly to the floor. This was just mockup purposes. You can also see the adhesive I was dealing with. It covered every inch of the interior. It haunts me to this day.



    More adhesive. In some instances and places in the car, it was a few milimeters thick. We had to remove ALL of it to ensure a good finish on the floor pan.



    Here's the front two plinth boxes (and base plates) mocked into position. I'm no pro welder, so affixing my base plate material to the floor, effecitvely, was hard. Strong? Yes. Pretty? Eh, not so much. Sorry, professionals out there.





    From there, I moved on to cage construction, of which I didn't take too many photos.



    My position for the rear bars is a bit atypical. Normally, E28 cages head straight to the wheel well arch, forward of the strut tower. It's very easy to access and mount to, and it's very strong. I wanted to attach directly to the strut tower, and thus had to remove a sement of the rear bulkhead on each side. The sheet metal is in the way, normally. On the to-do list, to this day, is to rivet in some nice aluminum covers to seal it back off. It's the only part of the car I feel is "unfinished" in its current state.







    My good friend Riley Stair joined in for the weekend to help knock out the cage, since my SEMA clock was ticking.

    Following the cage build, and a WHOLE lot more interior cleanup, we were finally ready to prep and paint the interior of the car. A few of us did prep work, but it was my good friend Cory Hutchison that did the paintwork itself, and the outcome is honestly better than I ever expected. Masking took an impressively long time, with lots of paper, tape, and foil used to keep everything clean. We had to paint in stages, masking the floor off first to paint the cage, and then the cage to paint the floor, all in an effort to prevent overspray problems and to ensure a factory-like finish.



    Here you can see the cage dropped down, so that the top could be painted. This was another reason for painting the floor separately - I had to lift the cage back into place, and weld it up.







    Here's where things finally started to come together. Also in the mix was dying the headliner to black, to keep things true to the "M5" theme. I also, after everything was said and done, took the time to re-wrap the whole harness with black cloth tape, to clean up the inside of the car.







    And a few final photos:







    I wish I had a good photo to show off the paintwork on the floor, but it really did come out beautifully. I feel bad trampling all over it when I get in and out of the car. Overall, aside from a couple small details, the interior is really where I want it to be. I'll add another short post about my choice of interior amenities.

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  • SpasticDwarf
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    Originally posted by jpod999
    Your builds are always top notch Mike.
    Hugely appreciated.

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  • SpasticDwarf
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    Originally posted by rturbo 930
    I didn't realize how much work, and how many specialized parts went into this build. I thought it was just an E28 with a wrap, and an S38. Pretty cool. I agree with ShockWave that your taste seems to be maturing, which is good to see. Also nice to see at least one of your E28s on a track ;)

    I gotta hand it to you though, it's impressive how you've built a brand and business for yourself. I remember you posting something on TDF (remember that site?) maybe 10 years ago about how you were going to do an S54 swap in your E36, and thinking no way this kid is gonna do such an involved swap. Well done.

    BTW, what other Land Cruiser do you have? I thought you sold the FJ40 recently.
    That's part of why I wanted to make a build thread. I'm sure appears to most as it did to you, however, it's absolutely been a build of love and attention to detail. While I don't have the means to build a true replica, I did my best to build a worthy homage to the cars that mean the most to me.

    Things have come a long way since TDF. I appreciate the kind words. :)

    And you're impressively keen. I didn't think anyone would pick up on that. I bought an FJ60 after my 62 got hit. Here in the next few weeks I'm hoping to get started on what I think will be a very cool build.

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  • jpod999
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    Your builds are always top notch Mike.

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  • JuusoIemel
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    Good lord that thing is sexy!

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  • rturbo 930
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    I didn't realize how much work, and how many specialized parts went into this build. I thought it was just an E28 with a wrap, and an S38. Pretty cool. I agree with ShockWave that your taste seems to be maturing, which is good to see. Also nice to see at least one of your E28s on a track ;)

    I gotta hand it to you though, it's impressive how you've built a brand and business for yourself. I remember you posting something on TDF (remember that site?) maybe 10 years ago about how you were going to do an S54 swap in your E36, and thinking no way this kid is gonna do such an involved swap. Well done.

    BTW, what other Land Cruiser do you have? I thought you sold the FJ40 recently.

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  • CorvallisBMW
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    Wow, what a build! Congrats on one hell of a car :up:

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  • SpasticDwarf
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    Thank you, everyone else, for the kind words.

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  • SpasticDwarf
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    Originally posted by Shock(/\)ave
    This is probably my favourite of any of your builds (and I've seen your work since your first threads on bimmerforums.com). The stance is period correct and fully functional, the wheels are perfect and just the right size for the chassis, and the livery is fantastic. Your tastes have certainly matured. ;D

    More pictures and background on the E28 M5 would be great (or a link if you've posted about it somewhere else).

    How many cars are in your collection now? I haven't kept track, but would guess you've sold your E36 and E9...
    Thank you, I appreciate that.
    I don't have any photos of the M5 to share - it's a long-term project and currently looks the same as it did when I pulled it from where it had been parked decades ago. It's not a pretty car.

    I sold the E9, but I still have the E36. I currently own it, the M5, the E28 this thread is about, "Rusty," and two Toyota Land Cruisers.

    Originally posted by Eric
    Great stuff Mike! Cool to see this project coming together after years of thought. What is the difference between early and late E28's? When did the switch happen?

    How do you like it on track? I found my M5 to be fun, but a bit slow by modern standards. Still a hoot to make the old girl move about! I like the 16" wheel/tire choice, the E28 chassis likes a 16" tire so much more than bigger wheels

    Some things that I've upgraded on the M5 and really liked:
    -Spherical ball joints in the upper control arms. I used BF.C's Wokke's complete kit, but I'd probably do mooshead's if I needed to do them again. My bushings failed pretty quickly, and the spherical's have lasted much much longer and feel better as far as brake dive and turn in response

    -steering box mount upgrade. I made my own, but fixing the steering box mount with that $20 kit the dude on mye28 sells is an easy upgrade to save yourself from hunting for that one clunk you could never pin down

    -Intake mods. I've recently rebuilt my B35 as well and it runs SO MUCH BETTER with a few little intake mods. Previously, with a Miller MAF/WAR chip and Stebro back box, the car made 234rwhp at 6,000ft elevation. Since the top end rebuild I've increased the airbox intake size from 3" to 4" (It's 4" from airbox to plenum now) B36 intake cam, slotted cam gears custom timed by the gentleman who assembles Paul Burke motors, and the M88 headers. I haven't dyno'd it yet (I want to) but It runs so much better now, it has to be making a good bit more power. If I were to do anything different would be to use the PNP megasquirt kit to have more control of the tuning. Before the Miller MAf I had the Jim C chip and I'd butt dyno guess that my car now has 60hp more than it did with the Jim C chip, it's vastly different!
    Originally posted by Eric
    Also, I just noticed in the last pic that you have the car side pipped! How does it sound with the M88 headers and side pipes??????
    Thank you. The differences, as a whole, between early and late E28s are pretty slim. They have slightly different floor pans in the rear, use different differentials (although they're largely interchangeable), ABS vs no ABS on the old cars, etc. The bodies are the same, and there's no way to tell a difference between them unless you poke around underneath one, or if you spot a 533i badge. The switched happened from 84-85.

    I love the car on track, and it has been a blast. So far, I'm happy with the 17" wheel/tire choice, mostly due to sizing options. My original plan was to run 16s, but I found things to be a bit too restrictive.

    I talked to Paul at Moosehead about getting a set of spherical bearings for the UCAs in the front, and it's on the eventual list of things to do. I think you're absolutely right there.

    The steering box mount reinforcement is something I wish I had done before getting the subframe powdercoated. I figure once I have a problem with it, I'll build another front subframe and swap it in.

    Your performance mods sound fantastic. I've considered similar stuff, but am conflicted, as although the S38 was never homologated, I'd like to leave it factory, as it would have been raced, if it were. (Although cams and a .6mm over bore are allowed by the FIA at the time.)

    The car sounds great with the exhaust setup. I have a short video clip I'll have to figure out how to share.

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  • Jjaniiii
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    Damn this looks good!!

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  • Rontgen
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    Wow! Just...wow! I'm speechless.

    Well done and thanks for sharing!

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  • paynemw
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    Ahhh soo awesome! This makes me miss my e28 and wish I found another 535is worth a shit.

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  • Eric
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    Also, I just noticed in the last pic that you have the car side pipped! How does it sound with the M88 headers and side pipes??????

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  • Eric
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    Great stuff Mike! Cool to see this project coming together after years of thought. What is the difference between early and late E28's? When did the switch happen?

    How do you like it on track? I found my M5 to be fun, but a bit slow by modern standards. Still a hoot to make the old girl move about! I like the 16" wheel/tire choice, the E28 chassis likes a 16" tire so much more than bigger wheels



    Some things that I've upgraded on the M5 and really liked:
    -Spherical ball joints in the upper control arms. I used BF.C's Wokke's complete kit, but I'd probably do mooshead's if I needed to do them again. My bushings failed pretty quickly, and the spherical's have lasted much much longer and feel better as far as brake dive and turn in response

    -steering box mount upgrade. I made my own, but fixing the steering box mount with that $20 kit the dude on mye28 sells is an easy upgrade to save yourself from hunting for that one clunk you could never pin down
    Untitled by ericandshovin, on Flickr

    -Intake mods. I've recently rebuilt my B35 as well and it runs SO MUCH BETTER with a few little intake mods. Previously, with a Miller MAF/WAR chip and Stebro back box, the car made 234rwhp at 6,000ft elevation. Since the top end rebuild I've increased the airbox intake size from 3" to 4" (It's 4" from airbox to plenum now) B36 intake cam, slotted cam gears custom timed by the gentleman who assembles Paul Burke motors, and the M88 headers. I haven't dyno'd it yet (I want to) but It runs so much better now, it has to be making a good bit more power. If I were to do anything different would be to use the PNP megasquirt kit to have more control of the tuning. Before the Miller MAf I had the Jim C chip and I'd butt dyno guess that my car now has 60hp more than it did with the Jim C chip, it's vastly different!
    Untitled by ericandshovin, on Flickr

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  • Shock(/\)ave
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    This is probably my favourite of any of your builds (and I've seen your work since your first threads on bimmerforums.com). The stance is period correct and fully functional, the wheels are perfect and just the right size for the chassis, and the livery is fantastic. Your tastes have certainly matured. ;D

    More pictures and background on the E28 M5 would be great (or a link if you've posted about it somewhere else).

    How many cars are in your collection now? I haven't kept track, but would guess you've sold your E36 and E9...

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