And it begins...

[Simon S]

Buying an S50 is like going out and buying an expensive piece of beautiful art to hang on your wall. But building your own M20, exactly how you want it, is like making your own bad-ass painting and putting it up :)

BAM !

[Danny]

I think he probably went M20 because it was avaliable cheap and it would be fun to actually BUILD a motor.

Thats why I want to do what I'm going to do.

[Bill 84 318i]

Yeah, seriously. I think the M20 is a cool looking engine. Gotta love that weird-ass intake manifold. So enough with the trying to tell me what to do with my car.

That wasn't my point (though if it were, cleanly swapped 24v motors look amazing - see my old car). My point is that your argument (aesthetics) is ridiculous criteria for choosing what motor direction to go in.

[nando]

haha, yea, but also oil consumption and drivability (assuming you have the cam/c-r necessary to generate power with the 3.1). "Fill up the oil and check the gas." :) I think he has a Toyota truck to daily, but that might be wrong.

Nando what was your build, 2.8 with dual pattern cam?

mine doesn't burn a drop of oil - but I guess it would if you used Ross pistons ;)

yeah, 86x81 with a schrick 284/272. I keep wishing I had the shrick 288 or maybe something from dbilas..

[Danny]

Updat3z?

I was thinking of rebuilding the m20 out of my wreck and boring it out.

M20 ftw. :D

[rwh11385]

LOLz.

[Jand3rson]

really though, I don't think josh is going to daily this thing anyway. But I don't think a "big" M20 is going to be really difficult to DD. It's a lot of fun, actually.

Nope, it's not a daily. I have a company work truck, and when we're all going somewhere together, we take my wife's car. I drive the E30 for my euro club meets, scenic drives, fun runs on the weekends and for autocross.

I mean, seriously?

Yeah, seriously. I think the M20 is a cool looking engine. Gotta love that weird-ass intake manifold. So enough with the trying to tell me what to do with my car.

[golde30]

I quoted this so you can reread it.

I mean, seriously?

word. 24v in e30 is sexy sexy. looks like it was meant to be there. the m20 is not an attractive motor by any means...

[Stu]

like gas mileage :p



really though, I don't think josh is going to daily this thing anyway. But I don't think a "big" M20 is going to be really difficult to DD. It's a lot of fun, actually.

haha, yea, but also oil consumption and drivability (assuming you have the cam/c-r necessary to generate power with the 3.1). "Fill up the oil and check the gas." :) I think he has a Toyota truck to daily, but that might be wrong.

Nando what was your build, 2.8 with dual pattern cam?

[nando]

There are some things to consider with DD-ing a motor like a 3.1 M20, as you know I'm sure.

like gas mileage :p



really though, I don't think josh is going to daily this thing anyway. But I don't think a "big" M20 is going to be really difficult to DD. It's a lot of fun, actually.

[Bill 84 318i]

Thank you, Darin. I'm going with the built M20, that's all there is to say. I'll be sticking with an engine I'm VERY familiar with, not spending a ton of money, I'll get to keep my nearly new radiator, and there will be other things I'm doing with it that I can't do as well with an M50, such as things from a cosmetic standpoint. 24V engines are cool, but they're pretty damn boring looking. Might sound lame to some, but I'm big into badass engine bays, and I've got aesthetic plans for this engine build that I'm pretty excited about.

I quoted this so you can reread it.

I mean, seriously?

[Stu]

Whoa! I don't think anyone was trying to crap on his thread!


And Stu, no, I haven't daily'd either. BUT, I do know what it is like to live with a peaky, race motor (my other toy is something that's actually fast, R6.)

I remember asking you about your setup and its definitely an awesome setup, but what did it cost you to accomplish that? The motor + tranny + getting everything in and going was QUITE a chunk of change I'm sure.

I didn't mean to crap on his thread--just throwing out an engine plan that is much better from a number of standpoints, though worse from others (cost, locating swap parts).

There are some things to consider with DD-ing a motor like a 3.1 M20, as you know I'm sure.

Regarding my motor....Cost of a blown engine, rebuilding the motor, a fresh tranny and all other associated swap parts plus several upgrades...about $3800 total. It wasn't cheap, but considering everything that was done and the number of brand new parts, it was a good investment.

[backtrail69]

It's ok Joshie. I am with ya. M20 power!

[Jand3rson]

Wil everyone just stop shitting on Josh's thread? WTF?

If you don't like M20s thatn STFU and go somewhere else. This isn't a thread for s5x vs m20 debates. If you don't have something useful to add, GTFO.

Thank you, Darin. I'm going with the built M20, that's all there is to say. I'll be sticking with an engine I'm VERY familiar with, not spending a ton of money, I'll get to keep my nearly new radiator, and there will be other things I'm doing with it that I can't do as well with an M50, such as things from a cosmetic standpoint. 24V engines are cool, but they're pretty damn boring looking. Might sound lame to some, but I'm big into badass engine bays, and I've got aesthetic plans for this engine build that I'm pretty excited about.

So please, enough with the trying to lead me to a 24V swap. I was going to do one, and decided against it. I want to do an M20, and I don't really care if the money I put into it doesn't equal 24V power. If I wanted 24V power, I'd do a swap. Maybe I'll do one later.

[ColdAccord]

a stock sportbike is still pretty tame though, ive had 99 and 01 r6's and a high revving factory motor is nothing like a built motor with a lumpy cam and shit idle