Another marital problem thread....

[Slangbox]

truth > peace

Is this truth? Or opinion?

[jrhaile]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Dude, you have been indoctrinated to believe that there is a bearded man that lives in the sky that has a list of 10 things you cannot do, that answers prayers of billions of people, and hypocritically judges people that do the same types of things that he himself does.

I have formed my own opinions based on all sorts of arguments and evidence supporting all different types of views. Your opinions on the other hand, aren't your own.

So tell me, who's the ignorant brain washed asshole?

You are. Simple as that I'm sure most on here will agree.

Stop acting like you're the enlightened one when what, 5 billion people on this earth in some way or another believe in a higher power. Are you and your fellow "thinkers" just that much more special? Did you come up with some of those thoughts in your parents basement?

I already told you I don't believe in most of the stuff in the bible as most of it is complete bullshit and imo, just a "guide" to live your life. But there is TONS of evidence to support a lot of the stories in there that one cannot just ignore.

You opinion is "this is bullshit." Good opinion dude. Well thoughout, would read again.

shit phone call.. brb

This can be the case, yes. But for some people, it just makes life more peaceful. It's a double-edged sword, it really is.

truth > peace

[Slangbox]

Yeah see that's one of the big problems I see with Christianity. People choose to give up their problems to Jesus instead of solving them on their own. It's a crutch for the weak minded.

This can be the case, yes. But for some people, it just makes life more peaceful. It's a double-edged sword, it really is.

The point in believing in something like Christianity is to give a person hope and a purpose. Yes, historically Christianity has given many people the wrong purpose (War), but for many others it is a very positive influence. The human brain does not like pressure. Having a god takes away the pressure of a random, uncontrollable life. This is the way I see it.

But what do I know, I'm an atheist.

Yeah see that's one of the big problems I see with Christianity. People choose to give up their problems to Jesus instead of solving them on their own. It's a crutch for the weak minded.

[Slangbox]

Oh really? I was a Christian for the majority of my life. I did the whole church thing, read the bible, mission trips, etc. I believed it because I was young and didn't know any better. I had yet to come up with any opinions of my own and believed whatever was told to me. Then as I grew into an adult, I began forming my own opinions. It was at this time that I also started taking University Philosophy courses which in turn led me to realize how completely superior reason is to faith.

Do you know what faith is? It is belief without reason. Now tell me, do you really think it is a good thing to believe something without any reason or evidence just for the sake of it? What is the point? What is the point in believing that there is a man living in the sky who answers prayer, punishes people, lays waste to entire cities but "loves" everybody at the same time? It is just so ridiculous I cannot even comprehend why anybody would choose to believe this crap. I cannot understand why people choose to believe that the Earth is only 5000 years old and that people were created as opposed to a geologic and evolutionary scientific view of the universe based on hard evidence. It is a giant joke.

The point in believing in something like Christianity is to give a person hope and a purpose. Yes, historically Christianity has given many people the wrong purpose (War), but for many others it is a very positive influence. The human brain does not like pressure. Having a god takes away the pressure of a random, uncontrollable life. This is the way I see it.

But what do I know, I'm an atheist.

There's your problem.

It's okay for people to believe in a higher power. I don't see what your deal is with it? So what, they believe in magical stories whoopti doo. And maybe because this world is so fucked up that maybe, just maybe people want to know or think there is a reason for it all. You're right it all may be a bunch of bullshit and when we're dead and gone, that's it. So be it. Until then, all you're doing is looking like an ignorant brain-washed asshole.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Dude, you have been indoctrinated to believe that there is a bearded man that lives in the sky that has a list of 10 things you cannot do, that answers prayers of billions of people, and hypocritically judges people that do the same types of things that he himself does.

I have formed my own opinions based on all sorts of arguments and evidence supporting all different types of views. Your opinions on the other hand, aren't your own.

So tell me, who's the ignorant brain washed asshole?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Oh really? I was a Christian for the majority of my life. I did the whole church thing, read the bible, mission trips, etc. I believed it because I was young and didn't know any better. I had yet to come up with any opinions of my own and believed whatever was told to me. Then as I grew into an adult, I began forming my own opinions. It was at this time that I also started taking University Philosophy courses which in turn led me to realize how completely superior reason is to faith.

I understand you so much more than I did before this post.

[jrhaile]

So the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Jihad, etc. are not disgusting features of humanity? You are the ignorant one if you think religion is moral. The Bible clearly states that adulterers should be stoned to death, children that talk back to their parents should be stoned to death, one should sacrifice their child to God, God is justified in laying waste to entire cities, homosexuals are going to hell, slavery is ok, women should always be subservient to men. Maybe you should read the Bible in full instead of conveniently glossing over these glaring immoral acts condoned within it.

You are pretty spiteful and angry dude. Maybe you should go back to a religion. It might chill you out.

this thread isn't about religion. and to say that religion is a disgusting and embarrassing feature of humanity only shows how ignorant you are.

to joshh: as others have mentioned, i think the main reason this is so hard for her is because you are causing her to doubt herself, which is one of the biggest struggles anyone can go through. i hope, for your sake and the sake of your marriage, that she "comes to her senses". this is so much harder though, since she has a family and friends that she would basically lose by denouncing her beliefs.

So the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Jihad, etc. are not disgusting features of humanity? You are the ignorant one if you think religion is moral. The Bible clearly states that adulterers should be stoned to death, children that talk back to their parents should be stoned to death, one should sacrifice their child to God, God is justified in laying waste to entire cities, homosexuals are going to hell, slavery is ok, women should always be subservient to men. Maybe you should read the Bible in full instead of conveniently glossing over these glaring immoral acts condoned within it.

[jrhaile]

Oh really? I was a Christian for the majority of my life. I did the whole church thing, read the bible, mission trips, etc. I believed it because I was young and didn't know any better. I had yet to come up with any opinions of my own and believed whatever was told to me. Then as I grew into an adult, I began forming my own opinions. It was at this time that I also started taking University Philosophy courses which in turn led me to realize how completely superior reason is to faith.

There's your problem.

It's okay for people to believe in a higher power. I don't see what your deal is with it? So what, they believe in magical stories whoopti doo. And maybe because this world is so fucked up that maybe, just maybe people want to know or think there is a reason for it all. You're right it all may be a bunch of bullshit and when we're dead and gone, that's it. So be it. Until then, all you're doing is looking like an ignorant brain-washed asshole.

[accident]

I think the r3v general idea every day is "Fuck bitches".

fixed

Not even CLOSE. You know nothing about the Christian church obviously so don't speak. You took this opportunity to slam a church and relgion in which you only know what you hear in the media and anthiest sites. Please refrain from even remotely comparing the Christian church to a Scientology one.

As someone who has studied religion for over 7 years, this is a very tough decision you made, Josh. When someone is brought up into something as tight knit as scientology, it's VERY hard to convince them otherwise. And the fact she has already told you she chose family over you really doesn't help your cause. If you truly love her, continue to try but you are fighting an uphill battle.

I must praise you though for leaving the church especially one as intimidating as the Scientology one. You have massive balls.

My wife and I were both brought up Christian. She has recently tried re-discovering her "faith" but I'm having a hard time following suit. This has brought some tension into our house a bit because I don't fully believe everything in the bible and generally try to tell her that things in the bible are stories meant to be used for guides as a way to live life. She on the other hand will respond with "you don't believe in God then because this is what he wanted in the bible." It's an uphill battle for me as well but I don't think it's that bad where it will really change our relationship because we generally don't discuss it unless we're watching the history channel :D

Oh really? I was a Christian for the majority of my life. I did the whole church thing, read the bible, mission trips, etc. I believed it because I was young and didn't know any better. I had yet to come up with any opinions of my own and believed whatever was told to me. Then as I grew into an adult, I began forming my own opinions. It was at this time that I also started taking University Philosophy courses which in turn led me to realize how completely superior reason is to faith.

Do you know what faith is? It is belief without reason. Now tell me, do you really think it is a good thing to believe something without any reason or evidence just for the sake of it? What is the point? What is the point in believing that there is a man living in the sky who answers prayer, punishes people, lays waste to entire cities but "loves" everybody at the same time? It is just so ridiculous I cannot even comprehend why anybody would choose to believe this crap. I cannot understand why people choose to believe that the Earth is only 5000 years old and that people were created as opposed to a geologic and evolutionary scientific view of the universe based on hard evidence. It is a giant joke.

[SamE30e]

I think the r3v general idea today is "Fuck bitches".

[daniel]

Oh that's nothing compared to the bullshit perpetrated by the Christian Church. Religion of any kind is a plague and needs to be eradicated. It really is a disgusting and embarrassing feature of humanity.

this thread isn't about religion. and to say that religion is a disgusting and embarrassing feature of humanity only shows how ignorant you are.

to joshh: as others have mentioned, i think the main reason this is so hard for her is because you are causing her to doubt herself, which is one of the biggest struggles anyone can go through. i hope, for your sake and the sake of your marriage, that she "comes to her senses". this is so much harder though, since she has a family and friends that she would basically lose by denouncing her beliefs.