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    #91
    Those charts, especially the ones done by WHO, are not worth the electrons used to display them on the screen. The fact is that those statistics are like comparing apples to oranges when you look country to country. Those stats have all been pretty well debunked.

    For example, the US considers a viable fetus to be any baby that takes even one breath on their own even if they have no brain. All other countries don't count that baby as viable and therefore it doesn't go against the infant mortality stats when it dies. Some countries don't consider a fetus to be viable for days after its birth. And that's just one example of how those stats differ.

    Malpractice insurance is a huge problem. Doctors often pay $250,000 per year in premiums. NY actually sets the malpractice insurance rates that can be charged and they had to raise the rates a few years ago because the insurance companies were going broke. If you don't think that has a huge effect on what you pay for medical care, then you need to look again. It probably costs you double what you would pay without malpractice costs (which are more than just the insurance. Lots of extra tests are done, etc, to cover the doctor's butt just so they don't get sued on the off chance something really was wrong.).

    Tort reform is a huge must when it comes to fixing the health care costs. But that isn't something that Washington is willing to touch right now. They just want to tax the snot out of us, dictate what we can eat, drink and do in our lives, and insure that we are all contributing to the collective good. Welcome to the Borg.
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      #92
      Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
      You can blame that one on the fast food companies.
      No need to shovel the fault on fast food companies. Look at any restaurant. Most will serve fat food: french frieds, deep fried stuff, grease dripping hamburgers. The problem is not the restaurants. It is the people who eat all that junk and don't exercise at all. So basically, the problem comes from the lack of nutritional education, and lazyness. Better spend $1 changing people's (bad) habits, than $100 on bypass surgeries.

      I am okay with a thick and juicy hamburger w/fries from times to times. Not twice a day.
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        #93
        And the bombshells appear: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/profile.html, http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07...testimony.html

        I'm not surprised, which depresses me.
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          #94
          Originally posted by kronus View Post
          get used to it..
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            #95
            Originally posted by kronus View Post
            First off, this guy was MarCom (public relations). As a MarCom guy, he isn't really privy to any decisions regarding coverage, premiums, processes or practices within the insurance industry. Therefore, he's just about the same as any Joe on the street when it comes to his opinion on insurance practices. He really isn't an "insider".

            However, he does make some good points. There is some need to change laws regarding insurance companies and stricter enforcement of existing laws needs to happen.

            One good point is below :

            "The average family doesn't understand how Wall Street's dictates determine whether they will be offered coverage, whether they can keep it, and how much they'll be charged for it. But, in fact, Wall Street plays a powerful role"

            This is true of every single publicly traded company though. It's always about "shareholder value" not about what is right, practical, productive or even in the company's long term interests. I am a free market guy, but corporate America's slavish attention to the short term price of its stock is counter productive in the extreme. We need to find a way to reduce that kind of behaviour. It would help all of us be more prosperous in the long run.
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              #96
              Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
              No need to shovel the fault on fast food companies. Look at any restaurant. Most will serve fat food: french frieds, deep fried stuff, grease dripping hamburgers. The problem is not the restaurants. It is the people who eat all that junk and don't exercise at all. So basically, the problem comes from the lack of nutritional education, and lazyness. Better spend $1 changing people's (bad) habits, than $100 on bypass surgeries.

              I am okay with a thick and juicy hamburger w/fries from times to times. Not twice a day.
              Not their fault what are they gonna do turn you away saying you had your one a day limit?
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