Fundemental difference between Liberals and Conservatives

[iamsam]

Yeah that is pretty hilarious :D :D

My strongest theory is a lack of understanding in human nature, which leads to a high degree of naivety. Second, liberals tend to be much more emotional and base their thoughts and actions on feelings rather than logic. Of course, these are just general observations based on my experiences.

this i have also seen. And glad to have amused more than just one person today! :)

[iamsam]

Your strongest theory regarding the idiological difference of liberals and conservatives is a belief in a God?

My face hurts from laughing so much... thanks for the morning chuckle, man.

glad to give you a laugh! in my experience, it has been the most prominent difference. Not saying its true all around, that is why i started this thread. This is so because i have just failed to see any other larger differences, because there are Liberals and Conservatives that are both rich and poor, rural and urban, all different types of backgrounds, etc.

So, if you were laughing so hysterically, tell me something about why you think they way you do, enlighten me. What do you think the major difference is?

[Joey Link]

Your strongest theory regarding the idiological difference of liberals and conservatives is a belief in a God?

My face hurts from laughing so much... thanks for the morning chuckle, man.

Yeah that is pretty hilarious :D :D

My strongest theory is a lack of understanding in human nature, which leads to a high degree of naivety. Second, liberals tend to be much more emotional and base their thoughts and actions on feelings rather than logic. Of course, these are just general observations based on my experiences.

[Hallen]

The important thing to recognize is that a single word of "conservative" or "liberal" will never adequately describe a person's perspective. Also, as evidenced here, most people will consider themselves to be a "moderate" since they don't see their views as ever being extreme.

abortion: I don't support abortion in general but consider it to be a personal issue that does not need controlling with additional law. The better way is to promote the awareness of birth control and the fact that you are taking a life when you do an abortion in a social context not a legal context.

- gay marriage : I don't really care other than the word "marriage" shouldn't be used. Civil unions are OK if that is what they want to do. It's their life and it doesn't affect me. However, I am sick to death of the gay lobby efforts and their vehement attacks on dissenters.
- death penalty : yes

- gun control : Some control is necessary, but there should be no impediments to gun ownership.

- religion: Not religious but respect the faith of others. Religion is the moral foundation that this country grew on but religion and politics don't mix. Moral foundations are good, making morality into law is problematic.

- income bracket : Middle Class

- homeowner : No

- in favor of burning gasoline : Of course. There is no substitute and anything else would be devastating to the worldwide economy. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking to the future and working on new technology to replace gasoline.

- do i believe in global warming : as a man-made phenomena? No, absolutely not. The majority of real scientists will tell you so if you listen... in other words, they'll say that they don't know. Climate change happens, that is indisputable. The question is why and how. That's what is being studied now and that is a good thing. Knowledge always is. But draconian political maneuvering on this whole issue is just stupid.

- economics : fiscal conservative. Which I suspect means something different than what others mean. Free market economy with minimal to no government intervention. Monetary policy and supply removed from any government control or influence (possibly going back to the gold standard). Government's only roll is securing the boarders and protecting property rights and safety. That's it. All else is superfluous.

- wars in Iraq/Afghanistan : Iraq was questionable, but not wrong. I fully support everything our troops are doing. To denounce Iraq is actually funny. The decision to go in was probably flawed, however, the results are exactly the type of thing that most people who oppose the war always want, eg, freeing oppressed people. What do they think? You can depose an evil dictator just by asking?

- universal healthcare : A horrible, horrible plan as it stands and just about anything that proposed more government involvement is also a bad idea. There are simple things that would greatly improve the overall picture that doesn't require huge government money or participation. The current plan is simply grandstanding and buying votes, damn the impact or the cost in the future.

- immigration : Aggressively keep illegals out. Send all back whenever found, no exceptions. Children of illegals should be sent back with their parents, but be allowed to apply for dual citizenship if they want.

I don't see global warming as a social issue, yet it has turned into one. I am still mostly a live and let live kind of person. I don't see any sense in dictating lifestyles to people. However, I am strong believer in person privacy so whatever you do better not infringe on my privacy or my life.

So, I guess most would call me a conservative. I break your mold there since religion is not important to me (which is not uncommon at all. The majority of conversatives that I know are not religious). I disagree with a lot that the religious right puts out. I don't believe in legislating morality. There is a difference between right and wrong and it is not relative. However, beyond clear cut issues, morality is not something that can or should be governed. It is a social thing and society must set the standards, not the government.

I think most would find that the difference between liberal and conservative is very small on many issues. These issues just get blown out of proportion for the sake of ratings and for the sake of argument.

[iamsam]

back to my point about calling BS on your supposed social liberalism. my take on both is that people should be allowed to make the responsible decision themselves and not be legislated into it. btw, condoms don't always work and the pill isnt 100% either. I'd rather the abortion than bring a child into an environment that is not conducive to it. when i see teens with kids, there's no doubt in my mind that an abortion would have been the better decision there.

these are the types of arguments for abortion that i have heard that lead me to the God/moral beliefs thing.

My way of thinking is that it is not up to the woman to decide whether her child should live or die based on what she believes the environment is that the child will be brought out into. This is where beliefs come in, as in how can a human be the judge of whether another (innocent) human should live or die?

The way i see it, is that when someone would rather have an abortion, it is to benefit the mother/parents, not the child. (we can't support the child, it will ruin my life, etc). This seems very selfish to me. You cannot say that you are killing the child out of mercy for the child, because the child is not suffering. It is only the guess of the mom/parents if the child may suffer in the future, and sadly, the decision is usually made based on whether the mom/parents will suffer in the future because of the child.

Yes, woman should have the right to their own bodies, but an unborn child is a separate entity, inside the woman's body, it has a separate soul. (if you are religious).

[dvs909]

Drugs: Legalize weed. i don't smoke, but itll make the hippies SHUT THE FUCK UP! I don't see a issue with it. everything else. harsher penalties

[KenC]

A question that has genuinely intrigued me for a long time, and after reading a few threads here with some pretty nasty debating, i figured i'd ask this.

For the record, i think my avatar gives my viewpoint away....;)

So, lefties and righties are SO different in opinion, mentality, and in their general outlook on life. Each side wants to better the world and their lives (obviously), but with a common overall goal, how can there be such differing ideologies?

a few theories i have come up with that cause differences

Belief in God (the all-powerful God and an afterlife) - my strongest theory
Adherence to logic
Adherence to emotion
Financial status
Demographic upbringing

Now none of these factors clearly defines who is a Liberal and who is a Conservative, so input time!


note: if you think this thread is useless, idiotic, and pointless, that's fine, no one is forcing you to take part in it.

Your strongest theory regarding the idiological difference of liberals and conservatives is a belief in a God?

My face hurts from laughing so much... thanks for the morning chuckle, man.

[kishg]

ya right wing loonies.
I think you're subtlely making fun of me Kish, you fuck.

[Alkasquawlik]

i don't see republicans slamming obama for being muslim. only some loonies.. :p

ya right wing loonies.
I think you're subtlely making fun of me Kish, you fuck.

[kishg]

True. I really wonder what would've happened if Romney won the GOP ticket and got elected as POTUS. Democrats would've definitely hit slammed him for being a Mormon, just as Republicans are slamming Obama for allegations of being a Muslim.

i don't see republicans slamming obama for being muslim. only some loonies.. :p

[Alkasquawlik]

back to my point about calling BS on your supposed social liberalism. my take on both is that people should be allowed to make the responsible decision themselves and not be legislated into it. btw, condoms don't always work and the pill isnt 100% either. I'd rather the abortion than bring a child into an environment that is not conducive to it. when i see teens with kids, there's no doubt in my mind that an abortion would have been the better decision there.

I guess my view on social liberalism is a little skewed for yours then.

Condoms and pills don't work? Pull out.

[Alkasquawlik]

i don't care.. although i wish all politicians including obama would give up this holier than thou religious crap and leave religion out of politics.

True. I really wonder what would've happened if Romney won the GOP ticket and got elected as POTUS. Democrats would've definitely hit slammed him for being a Mormon, just as Republicans are slamming Obama for allegations of being a Muslim.

[kishg]

Let me see if I can exress my thoughts on this.

Gun control vs abortion/women's rights.

I'm all for you having a gun if you choose to own one. However, if you are an idiot and decide to shoot someone, then take responsibility for your actions.

I'm all for having sex if you choose to do so. However, if you get knocked up and have a kid, take responsibility for your actions.

I don't want to stop you from owning a gun/having sex, but when you make poor choices and the consequences come back and bite you in the ass, don't try and take the easy way out.

back to my point about calling BS on your supposed social liberalism. my take on both is that people should be allowed to make the responsible decision themselves and not be legislated into it. btw, condoms don't always work and the pill isnt 100% either. I'd rather the abortion than bring a child into an environment that is not conducive to it. when i see teens with kids, there's no doubt in my mind that an abortion would have been the better decision there.

[Leaf]

- abortion: Yes, it's a women's RIGHT to choose, however if she is leaning towards it the father deserves a big say in the matter.
- gay marriage: Yes, just keep it civil in public plzzzz
- death penalty: Yes, some people are just too fucked up. Lets save some prison $$$$
- gun control: I hate guns, but people will get them weather we ban them or not so why waste the time and money? Plus prohibition on firearms just creates more work for gangsters.
- religion: At this point in my life, I really don't care. I believe strongly in the seperation of church and state and school.
- income bracket: Pretty low (in college), most of my $ is from tips and doing odd jobs. Still make 500 a week so i'm pretty happy.
- homeowner: I would looooove to own a small house but probably not for awhile....
- in favor of burning gasoline: fuck ya, i'll burn everything.
- believe in global warming: Yes, there is evidence
- economics: A mix of everything, I hold some right views and some left
- wars in iraq/afghanistan: We need to get out of both asap, we fucked it up and sadly its THERE problem, not ours. I support our troops fully.
- universal healthcare: I don't know how I feel, there's plenty of good and plenty of bad. I have really really good cheap health insurance because my mothers a teacher so I dont know fully how it's going to be affected.
- immigration: Control it, Fuck the INS and those minute men waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffless tho. Love to get my hands around some of there necks, and SNAP.

[kishg]

Obama is a Muslim....

i don't care.. although i wish all politicians including obama would give up this holier than thou religious crap and leave religion out of politics.