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[Rigmaster]

four boxes on a sheet of paper game? its called a 4 square, and its not a game or ploy. one box (top left at all the stores ive worked at) is your trade, top right is the prospective purchase price, bottom left is your down payment, bottom right is monthly payment.

Keep 'em coming.

You're hilarious.



Sure, there are decent salespeople out there, but MOST new car dealerships are out to rape people out of as much money as possible. <period


You sound like you might have honorable intentions, but it's BS to say that if you go into a dealership and act nice to the salesman that they're gonna give you the best deal.


If you are an uninformed consumer, then you will get ass-raped, and most dealerships will be glad to lube you up and you won't even know that they charged you for it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

four boxes on a sheet of paper game? its called a 4 square, and its not a game or ploy. one box (top left at all the stores ive worked at) is your trade, top right is the prospective purchase price, bottom left is your down payment, bottom right is monthly payment.

Yep, you are a car salesman. And you do see I called it foursquare, I was keeping the name quiet until someone else chimed in.

And it is a game, a ploy, and a farce...

- Ex-Dealership Service Manager (Who had the salesguys in his pocket(gotta get extra starbucks for knocking out those PDI's), and knows better)

[killa325i]

Dude, what fucking planet do you live on?


Pay MSRP for a vehicle $30k and under?



Go shine your white patent leather shoes.

ahhh i see you're one of the "experts", generally vehicles in that price range have about a $800-1800 spread invoice to MSRP. by the way...how much do you think Costco, Best Buy etc. mark up their products? 10%? 20%? is that unfair? are they price gouging? i'll do the math for you 10-20% on $30k is $3000-6000. so doing easy math.....looks like about 3-6% profit on a car. and my shoes arent white patent leather....they're brown Cole Hahns. fuck you;)

[Farbin Kaiber]

An ex-marine carsalesman. Let's give up, he does not know what he is talking about, and will argue until all the CARS program sales get repo'ed.

[myinfernalbmw]

An ex-marine carsalesman. Let's give up, he does not know what he is talking about, and will argue until all the CARS program sales get repo'ed.

There will be a bailout, no repos involved.

[Farbin Kaiber]

T.A.R.P. xxxvi?

[killa325i]

Keep 'em coming.

You're hilarious.



Sure, there are decent salespeople out there, but MOST new car dealerships are out to rape people out of as much money as possible. <period


You sound like you might have honorable intentions, but it's BS to say that if you go into a dealership and act nice to the salesman that they're gonna give you the best deal.


If you are an uninformed consumer, then you will get ass-raped, and most dealerships will be glad to lube you up and you won't even know that they charged you for it.

i said be friendly and honest , it is your responsibility to negotiate the best deal possible. in my opinion a 3-6% profit is fair.....will i take more? of course. if you swagger into a dealership and start making demands about this and that, you have a long day ahead of you buying a car. if you come in and treat whoever you deal with like a human, you will find the process is much easier.

[killa325i]

An ex-marine carsalesman. Let's give up, he does not know what he is talking about, and will argue until all the CARS program sales get repo'ed.

really? i guess you're one of those people who spend alot of time proving to people that you're a fucking idiot.....we already know, there is no reason to continue trying to prove it;)

[Farbin Kaiber]

Go see "The Goods" and STFU.

[killa325i]

Go see "The Goods" and STFU.

lmao, you reference a fucking fictional comedy to try and prove your point. like i said before, no need to prove what we already know....

[D-rock]

i know for bmw its 7%

[Farbin Kaiber]

lmao, you reference a fucking fictional comedy to try and prove your point. like i said before, no need to prove what we already know....

No, I was pointing out how you sounded. It was a reference for you because you look in the mirror enough, and still have not figured it out.

[Rigmaster]

ahhh i see you're one of the "experts", generally vehicles in that price range have about a $800-1800 spread invoice to MSRP. by the way...how much do you think Costco, Best Buy etc. mark up their products? 10%? 20%? is that unfair? are they price gouging? i'll do the math for you 10-20% on $30k is $3000-6000. so doing easy math.....looks like about 3-6% profit on a car. and my shoes arent white patent leather....they're brown Cole Hahns. fuck you;)

Dude, you're living in a fantasy world.

First off, I never claimed to be an expert. I never said that there's a problem with a business making a fair profit.


In case you havent' heard, there are car manufacturers seeking bankruptcy protection in part because they have assloads of cars that they cannot sell. Acting like YOU are the expert and then telling people to expect to pay full MSRP on a car in this economy is ignorant at best.



Like I said, go polish your white patent leather shoes. If you PM me your address I'll send you some of my "special" brown polish for those Cole Haans.

95% of car salesman are complete shysters who would shank their own grandma if it means making a buck.

[lylefk]

Ok

First...on KBB you can put in the options on the car to match the one you are looking at.

Second...I sold cars for 2 years. I RARELY sold a car at MSRP (maybe 5 in that whole time), that's ridiculous to say someone should pay MSRP. Totally ridiculous. I'd laugh in your fucking FACE if you said that to me if I was buying a car from you. ESPECIALLY considering the competitiveness of today's new car market. You are correct about showing the invoice...it doesn't mean you are getting it for that, but it gives you a good solid base on which to determine a purchase price.

Third, MOST dealerships and MOST salespeople are fucking douche bag assholes out to rape you. I know, I almost became one. And I worked at a very reputable, well respected dealership.

Fourth, the 4 square is just part of the negotiation strategy...hide the person making the decisions away from the customer so they can't talk to them directly, then hit them SUPER high on the down and monthly on the 1st pass. Go back and forth, blah blah blah. Pretend you're on their side...It's effective much of the time. But still feels dirty...because it kind of is.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Ok

First...on KBB you can put in the options on the car to match the one you are looking at.

Second...I sold cars for 2 years. I RARELY sold a car at MSRP (maybe 5 in that whole time), that's ridiculous to say someone should pay MSRP. Totally ridiculous. I'd laugh in your fucking FACE if you said that to me if I was buying a car from you. ESPECIALLY considering the competitiveness of today's new car market. You are correct about showing the invoice...it doesn't mean you are getting it for that, but it gives you a good solid base on which to determine a purchase price.

Third, MOST dealerships and MOST salespeople are fucking douche bag assholes out to rape you. I know, I almost became one. And I worked at a very reputable, well respected dealership.

Fourth, the 4 square is just part of the negotiation strategy...hide the person making the decisions away from the customer so they can't talk to them directly, then hit them SUPER high on the down and monthly on the 1st pass. Go back and forth, blah blah blah. Pretend you're on their side...It's effective much of the time. But still feels dirty...because it kind of is.

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