Ted Kennedy died.

[joshh]

No I'm staying with her because divorce is expensive :D What I say online in a joking fashion shouldn't always be taken serious. Dipshit.

oh and for the record, my father in law, who I value as a friend now is losing his job on October 31st. Big shout out to Obama on that one.

That's impossible. I know it's impossible because Obama gave the banks billions and he said it was all going to be fine. Obama says you're a liar.

[jrhaile]

aren't you staying with your wife because her family is rich

No I'm staying with her because divorce is expensive :D What I say online in a joking fashion shouldn't always be taken serious. Dipshit.

oh and for the record, my father in law, who I value as a friend now is losing his job on October 31st. Big shout out to Obama on that one.

[Optimator]

He deserves NO respect from me or anyone else. He's a coward and a waste of a human life. Fuck him and fuck what bullshit legacy he may leave behind.

I hope he's burning in hell if there is a hell.

aren't you staying with your wife because her family is rich

[Hallen]

I'll also say that I found what i consider to be a good article about all of this:

http://www.crimemagazine.com/05/tedkennedy,1017-5.htm

That article is just as rife with speculation and in this case, an assumption of innocence, as all the books written on the subject that the author keeps disparaging.

We'll never know what happened for sure because Kennedy was either unable or unwilling to tell the truth. But that article makes too many leaps of faith keying in on certain items, and completely blowing off other significant items. I wouldn't put much stock in it. Plus, it's a website that offers links to "pictures of executions". Nice.

She wanted a ride back to her hotel because she wasn't feeling well, but left her purse and keys to her hotel room at the cabin?

A group of female political groupies hanging out in a remote cottage with powerful male political types is just a perfectly innocent reunion? If so, why were no wives present?

Kennedy wanted to slip out unnoticed to not ruin the party, but somehow Mary Jo was offered a ride home?

Kennedy has no memory of how he got out of the car?

Kennedy had a driver there for his car, yet he left the driver at the cabin and decided to drive himself home coincidental with a young and beautiful groupie??

In this day and age, we know what a powerful position Kennedy was in with regards to Mary Jo. She may have been an ambitious career woman looking for a life of political power, or she could have just been star struck, but either way, Kennedy had a significant amount of power over her and one has to question if Mary Jo was in fact in any position to decline a ride with Kennedy.

It's all obviously very questionable which is why it is still an issue today. None of the questions have ever been satisfactorily answered and probably never will be. It works both ways, if facts or information can't be found, then there is an assumption of a cover-up, so the thing just keeps going on.

[jrhaile]

Oh and CorvallisBMW, I can't wait to hear your response when Dick Cheney or Bush dies... should be interesting.

[jrhaile]

RIP Ted



you too you fucking waste a human being. He was a father, a husband, and a fellow American. Even if you disagree with him, he is a prominent figure in in the history of our country and deserves your respect.



There's no cure to cancer you fucking retard, no matter what health plan you have. Fuck off.

He deserves NO respect from me or anyone else. He's a coward and a waste of a human life. Fuck him and fuck what bullshit legacy he may leave behind.

I hope he's burning in hell if there is a hell.

Oh and my grandpa died from a Brain Tumor so I know all too well about this piece of shit went through and my only hope is I hope it was a painful, slow death.

He's not only a coward for what he did that night with the girl but he's a coward for never running for president. He feared what may happen to him. Watch that 1970s interview with Barbara WaWa... you can see fear in his fucking eyes. waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles.

Rest his soul, wherever it may be. He doesn't deserve respect has mentioned previously. Has to earn it. He was true to the word of a dirty slimey rotton politician. Glad he is out of the way in a political sense.

[ragged325]

I'll also say that I found what i consider to be a good article about all of this:

http://www.crimemagazine.com/05/tedkennedy,1017-5.htm

[ragged325]

Although this is in pretty poor taste (which shouldn't matter here), I'll also say that Mary Jo Kopechne made her own bad choices that night that led to her death. Obviously, she was a victim, but if you willingly go for a ride with a drunk that's been drinking all night at the party you were at, it shouldn't surprise you when he doesn't drive that well. Things were probably different back then and people didn't think of much of it as they do today, but still the guy was married. He was supposedly driving her to the ferry, but her hotel keys were left at the party and the accident happened an hour and a half after she left the party. Who knows?

One rumor was that Ted had already knocked her up and that he staged the "accident" to avoid the repercussions. I was three at the time and I wasn't there.

The other thing I'll say is that if she was alive and breathing in the car in five feet of calm water, why didn't she just get out herself? I wasn't there, but I'm imagining that Ted didn't roll the window back up or close the door after he got out. I'm not trying to defend Ted, I just find the situation interesting.

[ragged325]

Let's pick up where I left off; Chappaquiddick Island. The bridge he drove off of put he car in about five feet of water, on its passenger side. The images are on the net if you care to Google. The repeated diving in the water/current was too strong claims do not hold up; not then, not today, not in a large tidal pool that it still is to this very day.

I'm not an expert on this, but I've read that where the bridge is, there is a tidal channel. To me, this means that when the tides change, the water flows through the channel. Again, I'm not an expert, but it would make sense that the water might be calm at one point, but during a heavy shift in the tides, it could be stronger.

I read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident) that the car landed on it's roof.

I read about this about a long time ago in a pretty detailed article that was published in Washingtonian Magazine (that I can't find online now).

[Scotaku]

The level of ignorance and clinging to the extremes in this thread is embarrassing.

Let's pick up where I left off; Chappaquiddick Island. The bridge he drove off of put he car in about five feet of water, on its passenger side. The images are on the net if you care to Google. The repeated diving in the water/current was too strong claims do not hold up; not then, not today, not in a large tidal pool that it still is to this very day. What he was doing with the girl alone that night or even at the supposed "reunion" is speculation but his willingness NOT to be more detailed only adds to the sadness of the expression we use today for hiding something.

Whether there is a cure for cancer or not, I didn't wish it upon the man. As I learned about history and politics, I came to dislike the Kennedys on my own. Chappaquiddick put a punctuation on my specific distaste for Ted Kennedy much less his loud, left-wing, do as I say not as I do politics. The coattails of his brothers so called successes in politics were, in my opinion, inevitable for their days. The civil rights amendment was the right thing to do even if Bozo the Clown had been president. We were going to race the Russians to make the best underwater basket weaving machine if that's what the Cold War had been over instead of technology or reaching the moon. Respect truly is earned. For me though, there isn't a Kennedy that ever earned mine.

Hawking Ted Kennedy as some lifelong senator fighting for healthcare reform for the poor is a joke in only the poorest taste. Ted Kennedy's true legacy, imho, is to have set the poorest example of adherence to party bias his proteges now exemplify right here in our forums, much more in Speaker Pelosi and former VP Gore as quoted in the ABC News link a page or two back. Kennedy wanted it his way with no budging, completely ignoring the significant "minority" on the other side of the aisle. True politics ebb and flow... but not for the extremists. It's time for politics as usual to die with Ted Kennedy.


For the record, I too am a walking dead man. I have cancer. There is a cure, but today it means surgical removal or blunt eradication of the disease wherever it is... if it can be reached by today's methods. There are treatments, therapies, and even vaccines in development so tomorrow's "cure" may be more easy to swallow. Ted Kennedy died likely for the same reason most cancer patients die today; his wasn't found soon enough to make what was available its most effective.

[joshh]

Wish I gave a flying fuck.

[nando]

8 years this November. Chronic Myeloid Leukemia. It took my career as a pilot and has changed my life many fold. Ive herd a few things about cancer.



I see you do read some of my threads. :)

I did the ride for cancer from vancouver BC to seattle this spring. it was pretty fun. There were quite a few survivors in the ride too. biking 186 miles over two days was something else, and I raised $2500 for cancer research. Hope I can do it again next year.

[Hallen]

you too you fucking waste a human being. He was a father, a husband, and a fellow American. Even if you disagree with him, he is a prominent figure in in the history of our country and deserves your respect.

May death grant him the wisdom and strength he never possessed in life. I do wish his soul everlasting peace.

He does not in any way, shape, or form deserve my respect. Like in the military, I had to respect the rank, and I always did. But there were many times where I could not respect the person who wore the rank. I respect the office of senator and feel that Ted Kennedy has done great harm and much disrespect to that vaunted position. He is the epitome of wheedling, conniving, slimy, back door, dishonest and capricious politicians. He has done more harm to this country than any one man should be permitted to do. He lived on his brother's reputation and name for his entire career. I am very happy he is out of the senate although I wouldn't ever have wished for it to happen in this way.

[bejbis]

This has been on talk radio all day, ive heard enough.