Clunkers: Taxpayers paid $24,000 per car

[Vedubin01]

Wow Im glad our government knows whats best for its people!

discuss!

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm

[bimmerboy08]

there is a lot of heresay in that number. They are multiplying the average rebate by the total cars sold over the period, then dividing by the number which they predict would not have sold anyway, to get around $24000.

[aaron325ix]

Wow Im glad our government knows whats best for its people!

discuss!



http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm

you hate the current administration... yea we got it. Get over it, I'm sick of listening to your whining.

edit: I might have confused you with e30 cabrio, but still

[Under_Pressure]

This program did more than get new cars sold. It has and is doing lots of good. Theres alot less oil use because of it too.

[iamsam]

you hate the current administration... yea we got it. Get over it, I'm sick of listening to your whining.

edit: I might have confused you with e30 cabrio, but still

there is a whole heck of alot of people that hated the previous administration, and did nothing but whine.

[TDE30]

there is a whole heck of alot of people that hated the previous administration, and did nothing but whine.

And did they get anything accomplished by whining? So why are you idiots still doing it?

[kishg]

fuzzy math.. it's all the rage lately, from both camps..

[kishg]

there is a whole heck of alot of people that hated the previous administration, and did nothing but whine.

that's how it is when you back the loser.. your disapointed, your bitter, you whine..

[RainierHooker]

This program did more than get new cars sold. It has and is doing lots of good. Theres alot less oil use because of it too.

A lot less oil use? Explain this one. The consumption difference between a 'clunker' and the replacement cars was miniscule (IIRC to get the maximum rebate it only had to be 4mpg better). This program was about getting people to start buying on credit again, not about some touchy-feely green movement that the administration is trying to dazzle everyone with.
The huge problem is people don't look at the secondary costs. Sure, the new car is using -a little- less gas, but all those clunkers are now trash sitting in a yard somewhere, leeching oil into the ground. And they didn't get there by magic, they got there carried by some big diesel-belching semi truck, and they got crushed by some big smoking diesel-powered crusher. While a servicable car could have gone on a long time, consuming a minisculely higher amount of pertoleum compared to the new car, a huge amount of fossil fuels and energy was put into disableing, moving and destroying it, and then building and transporting its replacement. Destroying the cars removes potentially usable recycleable parts, which now have to be made new, at the cost of energy.
At best, the effect on fossil fuel usage broke even.

/rant

[E30 Cabrio]

you hate the current administration... yea we got it. Get over it, I'm sick of listening to your whining.

edit: I might have confused you with e30 cabrio, but still

"Get over it"
"Move on"

Typical comments of the intellectually lazy and the ignorant while the .gov continues to take our money and piss it away.

After all is said and done, the .gov gets its hands on 40% of my income via various taxes.

I should just "get over it"?

[kishg]

it was nothing to do with being green. it was part of the stimulus and a means of propping up domestic auto. there's a good article in the latest fortune by steve rattner who led the auto bailout.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/21/autos/auto_bailout_rattner.fortune/index.htm

[kishg]

I should just "get over it"?

move to canada.. oh wait..

[scabzzzz]

"Get over it"
"Move on"

Typical comments of the intellectually lazy and the ignorant while the .gov continues to take our money and piss it away.

After all is said and done, the .gov gets its hands on 40% of my income via various taxes.

I should just "get over it"?

I cant wait to abuse your tax money when I have kids and buy my first home.

[Stephen]

"Get over it"
"Move on"

Typical comments of the intellectually lazy and the ignorant while the .gov continues to take our money and piss it away.

After all is said and done, the .gov gets its hands on 40% of my income via various taxes.

I should just "get over it"?

oh FUCK i didnt realize this. Im glad i was enlightened in an e30 OT. brb, going to build apocalypse shelter

[kishg]

oh FUCK i didnt realize this. Im glad i was enlightened in an e30 OT. brb, going to build apocalypse shelter

don't forget you're tin foil hat