Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties.

[Emre]

So the question is, very simply, if Islam is a religion of peace, why is it that so much violence is done today in the name of Islam?

The answer is simple: some people who follow Islam are loony. That doesn't mean they're all loony. And it certainly doesn't mean that the religion is about being loony.

So far, we haven't seen Muslims conducting the large-scale murder of non-Muslim people. But we have seen Christians commit genocide against non-Christians on a truly staggering scale. Just three examples are:

• the Spanish Inquisition
• the Holocaust
• the "ethinic cleansing" in Bosnia

I can also think of a few examples in Africa. On a smaller sclae, you've got the "God Hates Fags" crazies and people who kill gynecologists for doing therapeutic abortions. Does all that make Christianity a religion of hatred, bigotry, and mass murder? Is intolerance and ethnic violence what Christianity is "all about?"

Answer that before throwing stones at other religions.

[markseven]

I regard on what Muslims brought us in terms of knoweldge, the amount is huge. And interestingly, this was brought by religious guidance.

Medecine, mathematics, geometry, astronomy. Without them, the world would still be in the dark ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy_in_medieval_Islam

As for DVS909, I wonder how old is that dude, and what type of life experience he has to be able to even mention such stupid blank statements as he did. BTW What private school and public college did you attend?

Is Christianity the only faith you hate?

[ZM Blue Devil]

any other religion in this day and age.

Could you define "day and age"? ie whats your time frame?

[Hallen]

Hey, college boy. Why don't you look up the definition of "anecdotal evidence." What college is that anyway?

Yes, it's anecdotal evidence. Yet it's the same story told over and over again by many Muslims and former Muslims. It may be a peaceful religion for a billion people, but you cannot deny the evidence that more violence is done in the name of Islam than any other religion in this day and age. If only a small percentage of the whole take the Quran literally, then you do have a major problem and in essence, a religion that advocates violence against infidels. Yes, it is a small sect and admittedly radical groups that are the problem, warping Islam into an indoctrination system, but it still exists.

So the question is, very simply, if Islam is a religion of peace, why is it that so much violence is done today in the name of Islam? I'm not asking for a historical perspective on how horrible and barbaric Christianity was in the past or even today. I am just asking that simple question.

I regard on what Muslims brought us in terms of knoweldge, the amount is huge. And interestingly, this was brought by religious guidance.

Medecine, mathematics, geometry, astronomy. Without them, the world would still be in the dark ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy_in_medieval_Islam

As for DVS909, I wonder how old is that dude, and what type of life experience he has to be able to even mention such stupid blank statements as he did. BTW What private school and public college did you attend?

Lee, would you please learn how to argue?

The knowledge and learning of Muslims is not the question here and is not even remotely relevant to the discussion.

It seems like every argument from you seems to turn into ad hominem attacks. Calling your advisary stupid and bringing his age, etc, into question seems to be the only way you can win an argument. Facts and logic are important. Arguing from emotion is not.

[joshh]

Nurse him back to heath....then quarter the fucker. We shouldn't waste our money keeping this peice of shit alive.

[kishg]

hold the phone. I don't think that's what he was insinuating, only that the guy who snapped had been pegged before. That's it. Calm down, it degrades your credibility to read such ridiculousness into such a simple post particularly when you jump on others for less.

hey, i'm just playing along with the tin-foil hat theme we usually have going on in here ;) based on sleeve's previous posts, i am probably not far from the mark. however, i will give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.

[Massive Lee]

I regard on what Muslims brought us in terms of knoweldge, the amount is huge. And interestingly, this was brought by religious guidance.

Medecine, mathematics, geometry, astronomy. Without them, the world would still be in the dark ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy_in_medieval_Islam

As for DVS909, I wonder how old is that dude, and what type of life experience he has to be able to even mention such stupid blank statements as he did. BTW What private school and public college did you attend?

[Emre]

I have read the quran only twice. but i took my time on it.

Either you're lying or your reading comprehension sucks big time.

and my interpetations arnt redneck or hillbilly or high class or low class or gangster. they are what a common educated person who can read can obviously draw from the versus.

Your standard of education seems pretty low. Most common educated people know at least the very basics (e.g., 5 pillars of Islam). You don't even know that much.

i was raised in a loving home and went to private schools. and im attending a public college on a full ride academic scolarship.

If true, it doesn't sound like that college is getting their money's worth.

i dont have to walk up to any muslim i see, i have 2 former muslims i do lunch with about 2 times a month. you know why they're in America? THEIR FAMILY TRIED TO KILL THEM FOR CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. Religion of peace my ass, your the one who is fooled.

Hey, college boy. Why don't you look up the definition of "anecdotal evidence." What college is that anyway?

[deutschman]

i feel sorry for you.
I have read the quran only twice. but i took my time on it.
and my interpetations arnt redneck or hillbilly or high class or low class or gangster. they are what a common educated person who can read can obviously draw from the versus. i was raised in a loving home and went to private schools. and im attending a public college on a full ride academic scolarship.
i dont have to walk up to any muslim i see, i have 2 former muslims i do lunch with about 2 times a month. you know why they're in America? THEIR FAMILY TRIED TO KILL THEM FOR CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. Religion of peace my ass, your the one who is fooled.

you sir are ignorant.
there are bad and good people in every religion be it islam christianity judaism or any other religion.
you can thank the islamic world for modern medicine, algebra, and even the alphabet i am trying to use to let you know you need a few more years of college.
christians are responsible for some of the worlds worst atrocities. any person or nation that uses a gods name as an excuse to kill and rape are not worthy of speaking that gods name out loud.

i also think that there were more people at fault here then just the shooter. i think that there were quite a few red flags in this guys history and that the military should have seen this coming and intervened.

[ben312]

i feel sorry for you.
I have read the quran only twice. but i took my time on it.
and my interpetations arnt redneck or hillbilly or high class or low class or gangster. they are what a common educated person who can read can obviously draw from the versus. i was raised in a loving home and went to private schools. and im attending a public college on a full ride academic scolarship.
i dont have to walk up to any muslim i see, i have 2 former muslims i do lunch with about 2 times a month. you know why they're in America? THEIR FAMILY TRIED TO KILL THEM FOR CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. Religion of peace my ass, your the one who is fooled.

No sir, your interpret is that of the "average" AMERICAN, aka someone is brainwashed into hating them for no reason. And cool story bro, good thing there are families like that in EVERY religion on the planet. And good thing they changed from worshiping allah to worshiping god. Even better so because they are the same god. Open your mind and quite giving all us american the "ignorant American" name we are labeled with, because of assholes like you.

Also how are you on a full academic scholarship when you can't spell scholarship? I can't spell worth a shit but wow dude. And muhammad is spelled muhammad, how about you get the very basic facts correct before you start telling us bout a religion you very obviously don't understand.

[ACMF74]

oh no.....

[dvs909]

Listen fuckhead.

I feel sorry for you because I am Muslim.
And I'm currently in the process of reading the Qur'an for the 3rd time.
And everything you practically state is out of your own hillbilly interpretation full of hate. I question how you were raised.
Walk up to any Muslim you see and have a conversation with him for 5 min.
All of your silly interpretations will be laughed at and felt sorry for.

i feel sorry for you.
I have read the quran only twice. but i took my time on it.
and my interpetations arnt redneck or hillbilly or high class or low class or gangster. they are what a common educated person who can read can obviously draw from the versus. i was raised in a loving home and went to private schools. and im attending a public college on a full ride academic scolarship.
i dont have to walk up to any muslim i see, i have 2 former muslims i do lunch with about 2 times a month. you know why they're in America? THEIR FAMILY TRIED TO KILL THEM FOR CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. Religion of peace my ass, your the one who is fooled.

[markseven]

I believe it was a civilian cop who brought him down, she also shot him 4 times and took two bullets during the fire fight. So it wasn't exactly like she was gonna walk over and pop another in his head or anything. Plus now he will go through hell with everything they will do to him. And of course the when he goes to army trial he'll be killed, if not texas will do the job.

Or, the ACLU steps in an pays his legal fees :roll:

[markseven]

I think that's accurate for the West. It would be accurate for the Middle East as well if not for their government's propaganda.

Clarifying: 99% of Muslims are peaceful.

[Hellabad]

I wanna know why they let him live.

If he died, he would have become a martyr and a hero to other Muslims.

The way it stands now, he is just a loser who got taken down by a woman with an uncovered face who went to school, of all things.