4 police officers shot/killed in coffee shop near mchord AFB.

[dvs909]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

yeah but you could, if you see the gun, and especially if the guy is threatening you or others lives.

Disclaimer: Please check your local state laws as they are all different from state to state

In most states, if you have reason to fear great bodily harm or death, Deadly force to neutralize the threat is justifiable

i know you could, and if i was in the situation i would blow him away. im just playing devils advocate to point out the crazy argument he just made.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Sidenote...

[LBJefferies]

i know you could, and if i was in the situation i would blow him away. im just playing devils advocate to point out the crazy argument he just made.

How is my argument crazy? By "blowing him away" you are agreeing with the argument...

[dvs909]

no i agree he should be killed if he pulls a gun. you know what playing devils advocate is right?

the point im making is that if you deem him worthy of death at one point, and the only thing that has changed is time, nothing has changed, he's just as guilty as he was when he had the gun in his hand and deserves to die.

[LBJefferies]

no i agree he should be killed if he pulls a gun. you know what playing devils advocate is right?

the point im making is that if you deem him worthy of death at one point, and the only thing that has changed is time, nothing has changed, he's just as guilty as he was when he had the gun in his hand and deserves to die.

By that logic he should have been killed the moment he was born.

Also, plenty has changed. At one point there was intent to kill and at another there wasn't intent to kill. And did you completely forget about the fact that the officers that were alive at one point and are at this point they are not alive? I would call that change over time.

[mrsleeve]

DVS:

I know what you were up too, just had to throw some actual laws that are out there in to the mix

[Scotaku]

It "jives" perfectly. A bullet through this low lifes head is pallatable because if someone were at the scene of the crime and would have shot this guy, it would have possibly prevented the deaths of all or some of the officers (the burden of proof is 100%). However, now that the crime is over and done with, the deaths of these cops can no longer be prevented and the man should be given a trial and thrown in solitary confinement. Given the fact that capital punishment is actually more expensive than jail, he should be jailed instead of executed. Executing him would only lower us to his level and justify killing when we as a society have condemned it. Also there are countless flaws in the justice system which have currently and in the past allowed innocent men to be jailed and executed. The burden of proof is simply not large enough to justify capital punishment. So, in conclusion, killing is justifiable in cases of self defense or in cases in which it would have prevented deaths of innocents. Now that the killing of innocents is over and can no longer be prevented, killing is no longer justified. This is perfectly coherent and compatible with what I have said in the past.

Now my question to you is, how is your reading comprehension?

Pretty good, I'd say. You just wrote that, in the heat of the moment, it's okay with you to off a criminal. However, if said scum manages to escape capture for a while but is eventually cornered, THEN, he/she should get showered with money instead. Justice, for you, is all about the timing. Then again you'd probably glom onto the killers skin color, if only weed was legal, or how Bush is to blame somehow. Nazi alien abduction get rich quick diet?

You're too easy to bait. I think it's the weed that makes you bite.

[Scotaku]

YES YOU CAN!!!

Killing the shooter before he killed officers is justified because it would have prevented their deaths!

Killing after the fact would not have prevented their deaths and therefore is not justified. The only purpose it serves to execute him would be as punishment and IMO I think throwing him in solitary confinment for life is a better punishment

ITS SIMPLE FUCKING LOGIC!

If you can't comprehend the point I am making then you need to go back to Kindergarten.

Dude... you want to kill a killer before he/she kills an innocent?

Minority Report was a fucking MOVIE!

[decay]

from the university of washington crimewatch mailing list:

University of Washington, Seattle Campus

This morning at 7:00 a.m., a Metro bus driver reported dropping off a rider resembling the suspect in the Lakewood police shootings at University Way, N.E. and N.E. 40th St. University Police were notified and a UW Alert message was sent alerting the campus community to the possible danger. Notice was also posted to the UW web site, along with a photograph of the suspect. Seattle Police responded and began a search of the area, along with UW Police, who also began a search of campus buildings, starting in west campus. As of 11:00 a.m., there has been no further sighting of the suspect, who is reported to be suffering from a gunshot wound, is armed and very dangerous. You are urged to be alert, cautious, and aware of your surroundings as you move about campus today. If you see someone resembling the suspect, please call 911 immediately.

sounds like one of the cops scored a hit on the guy, at least. may he bleed to death internally.

[Farbin Kaiber]

These police whack jobs (hits) up there in WA look like some form of gang initiation...

[Dave]

Good Job Conservative Mike Huckabee - you let this cop killer free because you thought he was "redeemed" by Christ.

Well done.

And O'Reilly is now trying to help you sleep better.

Wonder how Bill O. would have been spinning it if a black Dem had pardoned this cop killer.

[MFreak89]

i hope he dies from the wound but if captured he should be hanged an inexpensive way to execute some one. I myself believe in capital punishment.

[ACMF74]

Seattle (AP) -- Sheriff's spokesman says Seattle police
have fatally shot suspect in officer shooting.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer says Maurice
Clemmons was shot early Tuesday in a Seattle neighborhood.
Authorities suspected Clemmons of gunning down four police
officers at a coffee shop Sunday morning in Lakewood, a suburb
about 35 miles south of Seattle.

-0- Dec/01/2009 11:50 GMT

:p

[dvs909]

By that logic he should have been killed the moment he was born.

Also, plenty has changed. At one point there was intent to kill and at another there wasn't intent to kill. And did you completely forget about the fact that the officers that were alive at one point and are at this point they are not alive? I would call that change over time.

no. by my logic, once he is guilty, he stays guilty. if the death was justifiable when he committed the crime, its justifiable now.

before he commits the crime death isnt justifiable.

[Massive Lee]

Here's a head-up. The guy got shot by the police this morning after hiding for two days. He was holding the gun that belonged to one of the cops he shot. The two persons who were hiding him for two days have been arrested too.

Lee