Obamacare is passed.....let the outrage

[LBJefferies]

I understood fine what you said, then you clarify you point and still show me to be correct.

The point remains the GOVT can NOT MANDATE the citizenry BUY ANYTHING. Fly's in the face of the Constitution.

Oh before you jump on auto insurance, Driving is a privilege and if you wish to enjoy said privilege you must buy the coverage.

See driving=privilege Life/living=Right, there is nothing the govt can mandate you to do or buy to exercise a right, thank you please try again

So now you are saying that living is a right???? Did I understand you correctly? So if that's the case, then isn't it a RIGHT of everyone in this country to have health insurance?

Every other developed country has decided, based on moral reasons, that it is the right of every person to have proper health insurance so that they can LIVE. What I don't understand, is why this country still thinks its alright for insurance companies to deny coverage, and for tens of millions of people to go without health insurance and, in many cases, die because they can't get the treatment they need. It's morally wrong.

[mrsleeve]

I understood fine what you said, then you clarify you point and still show me to be correct.

The point remains the GOVT can NOT MANDATE the citizenry BUY ANYTHING. Fly's in the face of the Constitution.

Oh before you jump on auto insurance, Driving is a privilege and if you wish to enjoy said privilege you must buy the coverage.

See driving=privilege Life/living=Right, there is nothing the govt can mandate you to do or buy to exercise a right, thank you please try again

Your reading comprehension is terrible. I never said the government should mandate purchasing health insurance. I said that if you don't mandate health insurance, then you don't have universal health care. For universal health care to become a reality, a mandate has to exist. Period. That's not debatable.

[LBJefferies]

There in lies the rub, Where dose the govt have the authority to MANDATE US BUYING ANYTHING????????????????????????????????


Oh thats right it dosent.


Hopefully this stupid thing will not hold up under the flurry of lawsuits that will fly against it and the SCOTUS will toss it away.

Your reading comprehension is terrible. I never said the government should mandate purchasing health insurance. I said that if you don't mandate health insurance, then you don't have universal health care. For universal health care to become a reality, a mandate has to exist. Period. That's not debatable.

[mrsleeve]

There in lies the rub, Where dose the govt have the authority to MANDATE US BUYING ANYTHING????????????????????????????????


Oh thats right it dosent.


Hopefully this stupid thing will not hold up under the flurry of lawsuits that will fly against it and the SCOTUS will toss it away.

If you don't mandate that everybody buy health care then you don't have universal health care, simple as that.

[LBJefferies]

So the version of the bill that requires by law that you must purchase insurance is still alive? I hope the version never is signed into law. For some of the people that dont have insurance is for one reason: they cant afford it in the first place, so this version would reqyuire them ti buy what they cannot afford, and if they dont buy it they have to pay a fine with the money they dont have, then sence they cannot pay the fine that the go to jail, and because there millions of people that cant afford insurance, costs for the prison system across the country will go through the roof with all the new inmates that are going to jail. So basically not having money would be a crime under this version of the bill? WTF

If you don't mandate that everybody buy health care then you don't have universal health care, simple as that.

[mrsleeve]

Shows how little you know, you basing your point of view on the UAW aren't you?

I will leave this to a different thread

disagree, I blame unions.

[ck_taft325is]

Part of the blame also goes to American consumers who are more interested in the cheapest price regardless of where something is made.

Just a little ironic since we're all on a BMW (German Car FYI) website... which may have been what Blunt was saying in the first place. Either way, what the fuck are you doing on r3v then?

Go buy an Oldsmobile. Oh you can't. Our car companies went bankrupt because they have bad products... that's right. Guess that's what happens when you build cars in the dark because you can't afford to pay the electric bill.

It's about quality, not where it's made. Several people I know buy solely on the premise of where any given item was made. They end up paying more for a lesser quality product 9 times out of 10. Again, quality is what matters most, or should, to any consumer. Competitive prices are great. The fact that our Government runs up a business taxes so that they cannot have competitive pricing due to over taxation etc, etc... who would fault them for moving over seas? Here, let me hit the liberals with a liberal argument...

So you're against companies moving jobs over seas because it's cheaper for them? Let me get this straight, you want to see foreign children starve to death because these other countries, even maybe third world countries now have jobs that you want to deprive them of??? You're FOR the economic down turn of another civilization that's lesser than you? See, you endorse the starvation of other less fortunate countries and vicariously their children... Shame on you. You must worship Satan. I bet you're a left wing Satan worshiper nutto that likes to eat babies and laugh when old people fall over...!!

Now how stupid did that look?

[blunttech]

Part of the blame also goes to American consumers who are more interested in the cheapest price regardless of where something is made.

oh you mean r3v members??

[Aptyp]

haha, my girlfriend's co-pay went up today... I feel very charitable right this minute...

[westyat7000]

disagree, I blame unions.

Part of the blame also goes to American consumers who are more interested in the cheapest price regardless of where something is made.

[Aptyp]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just so you know its mostly our govt that has driven business from our shores via the highest corporate tax rate in the world and the EPA.

disagree, I blame unions.

[blunttech]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just so you know its mostly our govt that has driven business from our shores via the highest corporate tax rate in the world and the EPA.

no shit. how can this dude spew his shit and in the same sentence complain about business packing up and leaving.???

[mrsleeve]

See now you are getting the idea of why govt getting into things it has no business being in is a terrible idea.

Oh but wait they plan on subsidizing the cost to those that cant afford it with a tax credit at the end of the year, but that still dose not change the fact that they may not have the money up front to buy it.

So the version of the bill that requires by law that you must purchase insurance is still alive? I hope the version never is signed into law. For some of the people that dont have insurance is for one reason: they cant afford it in the first place, so this version would reqyuire them ti buy what they cannot afford, and if they dont buy it they have to pay a fine with the money they dont have, then sence they cannot pay the fine that the go to jail, and because there millions of people that cant afford insurance, costs for the prison system across the country will go through the roof with all the new inmates that are going to jail. So basically not having money would be a crime under this version of the bill? WTF

[ALYKZANDYR]

So the version of the bill that requires by law that you must purchase insurance is still alive? I hope the version never is signed into law. For some of the people that dont have insurance is for one reason: they cant afford it in the first place, so this version would reqyuire them ti buy what they cannot afford, and if they dont buy it they have to pay a fine with the money they dont have, then sence they cannot pay the fine that the go to jail, and because there millions of people that cant afford insurance, costs for the prison system across the country will go through the roof with all the new inmates that are going to jail. So basically not having money would be a crime under this version of the bill? WTF

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just so you know its mostly our govt that has driven business from our shores via the highest corporate tax rate in the world and the EPA.