Vendor Stole My Photo

[Fidhle007]

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

But that's simply not the case. Laws are laws.

[Wh33lhop]

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Understood. Registering it will bring punitive damages, the rights are automatically yours.

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

:facepalm:

[Aptyp]

I just want to understand something... You took a pic of their product on your own free time, not being commissioned to do so, right? So you came home and posted your pics online for the world to enjoy. Owner of the car that you took pics of, probably saw them and most likely kept them, as they're pretty bad-ass. DTMFW saw pics of their product and used them, because, face it, it's their product on their customer's car. Now you're getting your panties in a bunch.

Maybe law will be on your side here, but you're still coming off as a douche. And proof of that, is that fidhlee-do-da agrees with you. Am I right or am I right, r3v?


Seriously, though. Your photography is very impressive, you're very good at what you do. Contact Ari and be above all this nonsense. It would be much better for both sides and maybe it could be your new gig, since you like going to tracks taking pics, you may get more opportunities of taking pics of their products. Maybe get your name on their site and be linked to yours. This would be a good way for you to self-promote and not be a bitter artist-wannabe.

Listening to these dimwhits, you'd think they've never downloaded an mp3 off the internet. Most likely they have, and most likely they don't feel any guilt over it. Don't be such hypocrites.



And I'd still want to know about code on your site... PM me or something.

[speedminded]

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

lololol! Not familiar with the Bern Convention are you? It's the international protection of creative arts that's been around for over 120 years. The United States didn't join until 1988 creating the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988. Since then photos do not need to be registered nor do they need a watermark on them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works

Regarding the internet, putting creative works on it does not enable fair use nor does it make it public domain. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. It explicitly protects electronic versions of creative arts: from website design to software to photographs to music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

[Aptyp]

so you've never downloaded an mp3? or stream an illegal movie?

[Wh33lhop]

so you've never downloaded an mp3? or stream an illegal movie?

Who makes money off of torrenting music?

[Aptyp]

sites that host torrent links? they surely have advertisements on them....

[speedminded]

I just want to understand something... You took a pic of their product on your own free time, not being commissioned to do so, right? So you came home and posted your pics online for the world to enjoy. Owner of the car that you took pics of, probably saw them and most likely kept them, as they're pretty bad-ass. DTMFW saw pics of their product and used them, because, face it, it's their product on their customer's car. Now you're getting your panties in a bunch.

Maybe law will be on your side here, but you're still coming off as a douche. And proof of that, is that fidhlee-do-da agrees with you. Am I right or am I right, r3v?


Seriously, though. Your photography is very impressive, you're very good at what you do. Contact Ari and be above all this nonsense. It would be much better for both sides and maybe it could be your new gig, since you like going to tracks taking pics, you may get more opportunities of taking pics of their products. Maybe get your name on their site and be linked to yours. This would be a good way for you to self-promote and not be a bitter artist-wannabe.

Listening to these dimwhits, you'd think they've never downloaded an mp3 off the internet. Most likely they have, and most likely they don't feel any guilt over it. Don't be such hypocrites.

And I'd still want to know about code on your site... PM me or something.

Until I explicitly sell the rights of a photograph NOBODY, including anyone in the photo or the owner of anything in the photo, has the right to use it in anyway without my permission. That includes printing or reproducing it at home, sending it to a magazine, or to any company. The owner/driver of that car has never contacted me nor has anyone that has used that photo.

Let's face it, the economy sucks and advertising budgets have been cut. Corporations and magazines have resorted more and more to cutting corners and stealing photographs. I read about case after case on near daily basis, some people are in other countries and they are always told to f$%& off. You wouldn't believe the ignorance and bullshit photographers are told from "it was found on the internet so it's public domain" or "it doesn't have a copyright on it so we can legally screen capture it from the flash on your website" to whatever else they can come up with.

Technically I'm not blaming them for taking the photo, it could have been a 15 year old hired to build their website after taking an 8th grade HTML class, and he had to find photos and they didn't even know about it. I have no clue what the case is but I presented it to them in a 100% professional manner putting the ball in their court. I contacted them and I have yet to hear back. I'm not one to beat around the bush.

[daniel]

i'm with speedminded here.

[Aptyp]

Who makes money off of torrenting music?

Just to shut you up for a little while:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=152780

Your avatar is someone's intellectual property and it may sway a buyer if they take into account how swell of character you are based on it.

You're also selling a "clone" MarkD chip there... Somehow I "feel" MarkD lost money on that. Again, don't be a hypocrite.



Mr. Photographer, law is on your side... but you sure as hell aren't collecting any check-marks in the great book of life. If I was them, I wouldn't contact your ass either and just go about their business and not deal with you at all.

You kind of remind of that guy Lukas that kept starting shit with Kamotors over ebay sales. I don't remember all details, but he's not around as much.

[speedminded]

sites that host torrent links? they surely have advertisements on them....

1) No. I have never once downloaded a MP3 BUT I have used copied software. Guilty yes and I have no way to justify it. During those times AutoDesk or Adobe never came knocking on my door, if they had then I would be forced to accept the penalty. I personally discovered the infringement of my own work and I started knocking on doors.

2) Regarding torrents, you find it acceptable for someone to make money from advertisers while distributing illegal creative artwork? 404 Logic Not Found. What about the musicians that produced the music or the directors and producers of the movies? Should we disregard their talent? The same goes for software engineers.

[Aptyp]

1) No. I have never once downloaded a MP3 BUT I have used copied software. Guilty yes and I have no way to justify it. During those times AutoDesk or Adobe never came knocking on my door, if they had then I would be forced to accept the penalty. I personally discovered the infringement of my own work and I started knocking on doors.

2) Regarding torrents, you find it acceptable for someone to make money from advertisers while distributing illegal creative artwork? 404 Logic Not Found. What about the musicians that produced the music or the directors and producers of the movies? Should we disregard their talent? The same goes for software engineers.

Good boy, now read #2 and then read #1... repeat to do so until it sinks in... Hypocrisy in action...


I'm not saying stealing is right, all I'm saying everyone in this digital day and age has done it. Don't be a sour-puss over one image.

[Fidhle007]

I just want to understand something... You took a pic of their product on your own free time, not being commissioned to do so, right? So you came home and posted your pics online for the world to enjoy. Owner of the car that you took pics of, probably saw them and most likely kept them, as they're pretty bad-ass. DTMFW saw pics of their product and used them, because, face it, it's their product on their customer's car. Now you're getting your panties in a bunch.

Maybe law will be on your side here, but you're still coming off as a douche. And proof of that, is that fidhlee-do-da agrees with you. Am I right or am I right, r3v?


Seriously, though. Your photography is very impressive, you're very good at what you do. Contact Ari and be above all this nonsense. It would be much better for both sides and maybe it could be your new gig, since you like going to tracks taking pics, you may get more opportunities of taking pics of their products. Maybe get your name on their site and be linked to yours. This would be a good way for you to self-promote and not be a bitter artist-wannabe.

Listening to these dimwhits, you'd think they've never downloaded an mp3 off the internet. Most likely they have, and most likely they don't feel any guilt over it. Don't be such hypocrites.



And I'd still want to know about code on your site... PM me or something.

First of all, a lot more people like me then like you because I am actually funny AND I know what the fuck I'm talking about. If you're nice to me and ask me a question that's well-formed and legible, I'll answer quickly and accurately. Sadly, not many people here can do that...

Moving on to the bigger issue, very little of the photos used on that site are of EuroStop products. Maybe you would use an opportunity like this to try and get some free parts but for the rest of us that realize that most of the products sold off of that website are pure, unadulterated shit, it's a pointless endeavor. I agree with Speedminded because he's in the right. I, as well as being a professional BMW tech, happen to be a professional musician and I have a lot of experience with intellectual copyright issues.

[Fidhle007]

Good boy, now read #2 and then read #1... repeat to do so until it sinks in... Hypocrisy in action...


I'm not saying stealing is right, all I'm saying everyone in this digital day and age has done it. Don't be a sour-puss over one image.

Seriously, shut the fuck up before we hurt you. You have obviously never created anything original in your life and if you had, it would probably suck.

Tell you what, I'm just going to take your car without asking and crash it. Then, I expect you to just be cool with it because you left it unlocked. We cool bro, right?

[ck_taft325is]

A-fucking-men, Speedminded.

What's up Aptyp's butt on this subject? Speedminded handled this 100% professionally, which is more than can be said for Eurostop at this point. It's VERY easily turned into a "lawyering up" situtation into a, "Oh shit! Our bad..." by simply communicating. The laws around what is intellectual propery and what are not is a big deal. By running a business they should be at least a little aware of what is and what is not kosher. The same could be said (not that it is a reflection of my opinion on Ari or Eurostop) that by not contacting or at least responding to Speedminded's packet in anyway, implies a certain level of douche baggery.

And for your information, I have not downloaded an mp3, movie, etc etc... not that I think that even matters and your obvious baiting with flagrantly retarded accusations dignifies a response. More over, that's not even the topic at hand.

Oh and of course, don't get monetary compensation for your hard work, Speedminded. Why would you want to do that?? (Sarcasm)

No where in any of this has Speedminded claimed he's going to sue their pants off. He just went through the correct legal channels to not get burned or told to fuck off for the time, effort, camera, lenses, batties and talent he's invested into his craft.