Brand new E34 M5 for sale

[Iain]

Just curious....what are you comparing the z32 to?
I know it's no Ferarri, but it's no Crown Vic either. What are you using for a point of comparison? You've got some damn high standards. And regarding the LSD? The stock LSD on the twin turbo models will hold over 800rwhp. There aren't too many other cars with stock LSDs that strong.

S13/14/15 Nissan Silvias (not K24-powered nuggets), R32-34 Skylines (GT-Rs, GTS-ts), Mk4 Supras, 94-06 STi/WRX Subarus, Mazda MX5s, Honda S2000s, BMW M3s/Z-Ms, even stuff like our local Commodores/Falcons, Nissan Cefiros, Toyota Aristos... all kinds of different cars.

We have access to a lot of very good handling cars out here and our opinions on what makes a good handling cars seems to be a lot higher than what passes for decent in America in my experience.

Also the diff thing - it's not how much horsepower the diff can handle - it's how it locks up on decel or puts the power down. Needs a better, tighter LSD.

[pbr87]

The R32 GT-R is still a fair bit lighter than the Z32 and its where it is lighter that makes the difference (more weight lower down in the middle of the car, lighter body panels,)

The later Skylines have a lot more equipment and go a lot faster than the Zed. For what is meant to be a RWD sports car it is heavy and full of crap you don't need.

It's still a good bit lighter than alot of newer sports coupes.

The car might look low but there is a lot of crap that you have to remove (which you shouldn't) to get the weight down. Removing the T-tops is great... what about in winter or in the rain? That 20lbs is exactly what I'm talking about - a simple thin sheet of metal would have been a far better choice for a fucking sports car!

I never drive mine in the snow, and rarely drive it in the rain. So I wouldn't know. Also, they did offer a slicktop version.

I've driven stock and modded examples and I definitely wouldn't call the stock suspension "decent". Nowhere near it, in fact! Over-servo-assisted steering, rolls and pitches too much when shifting weight, brakes aren't great, too small a tyre contact patch, definitely needs a good LSD fitted...

Just curious....what are you comparing the z32 to?
I know it's no Ferarri, but it's no Crown Vic either. What are you using for a point of comparison? You've got some damn high standards. And regarding the LSD? The stock LSD on the twin turbo models will hold over 800rwhp. There aren't too many other cars with stock LSDs that strong.

[e30s52]

The e34 is a great looking car. I cant wait to get another one. Here is my last one.

[Iain]

1) The base model skyline is lightweight, but the desireable GTR is not. The older versions (R32 and R33) weigh about the same as a z32, and the newer versions (R34 and R35) are a good bit heavier.

The R32 GT-R is still a fair bit lighter than the Z32 and its where it is lighter that makes the difference (more weight lower down in the middle of the car, lighter body panels,)

The later Skylines have a lot more equipment and go a lot faster than the Zed. For what is meant to be a RWD sports car it is heavy and full of crap you don't need.

2) Z32's weight up high? Take the T-tops off. That shaves more than 20lbs off the top of the car. The hood is very lightweight. I just don't see how a car that sits so low can have most of its weight up high?? It's not like it's a Landcruiser or something.

The car might look low but there is a lot of crap that you have to remove (which you shouldn't) to get the weight down. Removing the T-tops is great... what about in winter or in the rain? That 20lbs is exactly what I'm talking about - a simple thin sheet of metal would have been a far better choice for a fucking sports car!

3)They handle better than "decently" in stock form. A set of stillen sway bars is all you need to get them to handle very well. One of the most recognized qualities of the z32 twin turbo is the good handling characteristics--especially the high speed handling.

I've driven stock and modded examples and I definitely wouldn't call the stock suspension "decent". Nowhere near it, in fact! Over-servo-assisted steering, rolls and pitches too much when shifting weight, brakes aren't great, too small a tyre contact patch, definitely needs a good LSD fitted...

4) Keep up with the 60k tuneup and purchase a high performance radiator, like I did, and you shouldn't ever have an overheating problem. Unless you track your car on a regular basis, in which case a larger oil cooler and a different oil cooler regulator valve setup is a good investment.[/quote]

[chadthestampede]

Lets compare 4-door luxury cars to 2-door sports cars!

this

is not a one word reply.

Seriously, apples to oranges.


Just for good measure

[Atreus]

how about a m3 vs a z32, a little closer to the same class lol.

still would take a e34 m5 over a stale sushi piece any day....

[pbr87]

Lets compare 4-door luxury cars to 2-door sports cars!

well...

pbr87 if you think the E34 is ugly you should be banned instantley, again you own a 300zxtt so you're probably a jdm ricer lol.

the Z32 is one of the ugliest car ever. if you think the 300zx is way better looking than the E34 you must be on crack.

common dude, someone put up some modded E34 pictures to redeem this thread.

He started it ^

[Jean]

Other than looking incredibly ugly, it's a pretty sweet car.

/Ban

[e30nub]

Holy shit enough with the opinions.

Everyone is gonna have their own opinion. Whether you like their opinion or not, just keep it to yourself, or express it without hating on other theirs.

[pbr87]

1500kg isn't a lot for a sedan, but for a car with the footprint of the Zed its heavy. A Viper and JZA80 Supra (Mk4) are heavy cars too, compared to a Skyline, RX7, etc. The worst thing about the Z32's weight is where it is - quite a bit of it is up high, which is the worst place for it.

The chassis definitely is soft - to get them handling halfway decently you need to revise spring/damper rates and start adding much better arms and floor/subframe braces. Ditching HICAS is all part of that, too.

Overheating is another great party trick for the Zed.

1) The base model skyline is lightweight, but the desireable GTR is not. The older versions (R32 and R33) weigh about the same as a z32, and the newer versions (R34 and R35) are a good bit heavier.

2) Z32's weight up high? Take the T-tops off. That shaves more than 20lbs off the top of the car. The hood is very lightweight. I just don't see how a car that sits so low can have most of its weight up high?? It's not like it's a Landcruiser or something.

3)They handle better than "decently" in stock form. A set of stillen sway bars is all you need to get them to handle very well. One of the most recognized qualities of the z32 twin turbo is the good handling characteristics--especially the high speed handling.

4) Keep up with the 60k tuneup and purchase a high performance radiator, like I did, and you shouldn't ever have an overheating problem. Unless you track your car on a regular basis, in which case a larger oil cooler and a different oil cooler regulator valve setup is a good investment.

[Iain]

But heavy?
They only weigh about 3400lbs. Perspectively, you're right, they are 700lbs heavier than an e30. Still, 3400lbs is around the same as an MK IV Supra, a Dodge Viper, or a C6 Corvette. Chassis isn't "floppy" either.

1500kg isn't a lot for a sedan, but for a car with the footprint of the Zed its heavy. A Viper and JZA80 Supra (Mk4) are heavy cars too, compared to a Skyline, RX7, etc. The worst thing about the Z32's weight is where it is - quite a bit of it is up high, which is the worst place for it.

The chassis definitely is soft - to get them handling halfway decently you need to revise spring/damper rates and start adding much better arms and floor/subframe braces. Ditching HICAS is all part of that, too.

Overheating is another great party trick for the Zed.

[JGood]

Lets compare 4-door luxury cars to 2-door sports cars!

[pbr87]

The guy with the Z32 300ZX must harbour fantasties about driving around with an open Hawaiian shirt on, cheap gold chains showing and some White Snake blasting from the stereo looking for school girls and dreaming that you're actually driving a Ferrari 348 or Testarossa... or a '79 Corvette.

You got me! I actually have a very large collection of tacky Hawaiian shirts which I often sport while driving around in the summer. No lie. But I don't like the 348 or the 79 Corvette, and I've been with my GF for 4+ years, so the rest of your assessment I respectfully disagree with.

The engine bay is one of the most retarded things about the Z32 TT - which fucking window-licker laid that thing out? Its almost impossible to work on without busting your hands into broken, bloody stumps.

This is the only thing I hate about my Z. I think they designed it that way so that people would have to get their cars serviced at dealerships.

Overly complicated, too heavy, dated and platicy design to woo 14 year-old Japanese school boys, floppy chassis... gee what a car to look up to. Why people buy these things or Mk3 Supras today mystifies me. The best thing about a Z32 is its track-width. They should have made the GT-R that wide. You're still left with an uncoordinated, ugly, overweight, overcomplicated pile of stale sushi.

They are overly complicated, I'll give you that. The HICAS system from the earlier year z32s was a POS design. The engine bay is a giant clusterfuck. The dashboard electronics are at best a bit confusing at first.
But heavy?
They only weigh about 3400lbs. Perspectively, you're right, they are 700lbs heavier than an e30. Still, 3400lbs is around the same as an MK IV Supra, a Dodge Viper, or a C6 Corvette. Chassis isn't "floppy" either.

[Iain]

The guy with the Z32 300ZX must harbour fantasties about driving around with an open Hawaiian shirt on, cheap gold chains showing and some White Snake blasting from the stereo looking for school girls and dreaming that you're actually driving a Ferrari 348 or Testarossa... or a '79 Corvette.

The engine bay is one of the most retarded things about the Z32 TT - which fucking window-licker laid that thing out? Its almost impossible to work on without busting your hands into broken, bloody stumps.

Overly complicated, too heavy, dated and platicy design to woo 14 year-old Japanese school boys, floppy chassis... gee what a car to look up to. Why people buy these things or Mk3 Supras today mystifies me. The best thing about a Z32 is its track-width. They should have made the GT-R that wide. You're still left with an uncoordinated, ugly, overweight, overcomplicated pile of stale sushi.

[pbr87]

I dont see how people can hate e34s so much and love late model e30s? The average bimbo at first glance could hardly tell the difference unless reading the badge on the trunk.

I don't think anyone here "hates" e34s. Hell, I've posted at least 3 times on here today that I like the e34 M5. I just think they're ugly. Based on the e34 I've driven, I can assume that they handle very well, are comfortable, fun to drive. I know they sound amazing, and I think the S38 is a great engine. Overall it's a very nice car. But...."sexy as hell"???? That's a stretch.