Its coming......Again!!!! God Damn Dems

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100222/D9E19OD80.html

They're calling it a compromise between the White House and the Dems. Wait, didn't they say it was the Republicans who are thwarting all of this? This time they're proposal is way worse than the last one. Why do that? Probably to get some politicians to look at the old proposals in a positive light. I hate LIBS!!

[Collin]

"Posted Monday morning on the White House Web site, the plan would provide coverage to more than 31 million Americans now uninsured without adding to the federal deficit."

How dare they!

[scabzzzz]

Yeah, libs are fucking assholes. I'm sick and tired of democrats trying to level the playing field.

[Collin]

Yeah, libs are fucking assholes. I'm sick and tired of democrats trying to level the playing field.

"I do cocaine!"

[z31maniac]

Do any of you guys that are FOR more gov't involvement in your life, actually have friends/family in Medicare/Medicaid, or have friends/family that work in the Healthcare industry?

Tort reform, prescription drug prices, allow insurance to be sold across state lines, if they could accomplish just those three things first I'd like to see the result.

Surgeon's malpractice insurance can run WELL into the SIX FIGURE range.

[Pinepig]

the plan would provide coverage to more than 31 million Americans now uninsured without adding to the federal deficit."

[Collin]

Do any of you guys that are FOR more gov't involvement in your life, actually have friends/family in Medicare/Medicaid, or have friends/family that work in the Healthcare industry?

Tort reform, prescription drug prices, allow insurance to be sold across state lines, if they could accomplish just those three things first I'd like to see the result.

Surgeon's malpractice insurance can run WELL into the SIX FIGURE range.

Both grandparents on medicare, three sister-in-laws are nurses, wife is a pharmicist.

I think your second paragraph has some good ideas.

Good health is a human right, and I hate to see people like the OP making it into a partisan issue. We may not agree on how, but that doesn't mean we don't want to see people happy and healthy.



PINE PIG:
Did you miss my direct quoting from OP's article?

[joshh]

Both grandparents on medicare, three sister-in-laws are nurses, wife is a pharmicist.

I think your second paragraph has some good ideas.

Good health is a human right, and I hate to see people like the OP making it into a partisan issue. We may not agree on how, but that doesn't mean we don't want to see people happy and healthy.



PINE PIG:
Did you miss my direct quoting from OP's article?

Good healthcare is not a fucking human right. Jesus Christ, what else does the Government owe you?

[Restoman]

Wow, can we just cut the country in half? democrats on one side and conservatives on one side. No helping each other. You would be forced to go on the side of which you displayed characteristics of. I'd be happy and the democrats would all kill each other.

[Alkasquawlik]

Wow, can we just cut the country in half? democrats on one side and conservatives on one side. No helping each other. You would be forced to go on the side of which you displayed characteristics of. I'd be happy and the democrats would all kill each other.

Conservatives get the western half of the country.

[e30e]

Conservatives get the western half of the country.

Statistically speaking we get the middle of the country, your shit hole state tends to ruin everything.

[mrsleeve]

Statistically speaking we get the middle of the country, your shit hole state tends to ruin everything.

tiss the truth,


This is a bull shit mesure that will try to be rammed trough with a little used loop hole reserved for budget passage and has never been used in this manner before.


Uggghhhhh This is just not going to be good no matter how you slice it.

[Pinepig]

Statistically speaking we get the middle of the country, your shit hole state tends to ruin everything.

Yeah but Cali is such a beautiful state, if all the fucking libs went back east ( where they came from ) this place would be heaven.

[mrsleeve]

http://www.herplace.com/OPED-TheThirdRail-in-Healthcare.pdf

OPINION: OBAMACARE’S LETHAL THIRD RAIL SHOCK TO COME
©Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.
Subway riders know the adage – The third rail is deadly –it carries the current that can kill
you. Avoid the third rail.
We are about to get that “third rail” for government-controlled healthcare. Then comes the
death blow to your medical privacy, your freedom to choose medical treatment options, and
your ability to control the cost of any private health insurance you may want to buy.
Democrats, working in the shadows away from public view and using devious “divide and
conquer” strategies, have already laid two tracks for a complete government control of your
healthcare. They only have one more rail to go.
The first two rails were craftily hidden in the Stimulus Bill of February 2009. While the
public thinks healthcare bills are still “out there” and not yet passed, the Democrats have
been celebrating the anniversary of the Stimulus Bill, knowing that their “Stimulus” stealth
tactics already laid those first two healthcare tracks for government control.
Populist rhetoric hides the lethal third rail. It is called “insurance reform.”
It’s brilliantly deceptive and diabolical in its 3-step simplicity:
1. Control medical records and private health information of every person in the
United States, and penalize health professionals who refuse to release your
personal information. ALREADY PASSED into law February 2009. Come 2014,
YOU no longer control YOUR medical records.
2. Control delivery of all health services under the guise of “comparative
effectiveness research” and the “complete lives system” that decides a person’s
value based on age. The federal health czar’s panel of bureaucrats and computers
will decide whether or not you are “worth” the cost of treatment, and what
treatment you will be approved to obtain. ALREADY PASSED into law
February 2009.
3. The Missing Third Rail: Insurance “Reform.” Control of all private insurers in
the country. The rhetoric goes this way: These “bad” insurance companies must
be reined in. Government must protect people. Government will dictate what
insurance plans must cover, what they cannot exclude. Government dictates
mean dramatic price increases if companies are forced to give up using their riskbased
approach to underwriting, which helps keep premium costs down. Then the
private insurance market collapses. We lose our freedom to choose our plan.
Once this third rail is in place, you will have lost all control of your healthcare. Done deal.
This third rail will kill private healthcare as we know it. This is the only remaining part of
the massive Senate and House healthcare bills that the Democrats know is critical to get
passed in order to achieve their goal on government control of your healthcare.
I think this is the next stealth strategy for the Obama-Pelosi-Reid team: seduce you into
thinking that insurance “reform” is actually going to protect you, and that’s “all” they really
need to pass now. The protectionist subterfuge hides the dangers of the third rail shock until
it is too late. Charles Krauthammer wrote on January 15, 2010: “Then… the federal
government will regulate in crushing detail one-sixth of the U.S. economy. By essentially
abolishing medical underwriting (actuarially based risk assessment) and replacing it with
government fiat, ObamaCare turns the health insurance companies into utilities, their every
significant move dictated by government regulators.” Federal bureaucrats will make
decisions about your treatment, not your doctor or other health professional.
Members of the House and Senate who voted for the massive Stimulus Bill, without reading
it, already put the federal government in control of your personal medical information. The
Stimulus Bill already sold out your medical privacy. The Stimulus Bill already put the
federal health czar in control of what treatment options you will be allowed to have.
The third rail, euphemistically called “insurance reform,” (really insurance controls) will
deal the lethal blow to private health insurance. Laying the third rail trap, the politicians
will rob you of your privacy, your medical treatment options, and now, your choice of how
to pay for care.
This “third rail” must be stopped before the best medical care in the world is destroyed.
The problems we face in healthcare today are not caused by doctors, insurance companies,
drug companies, or medical device makers. The problems we face are caused by politicians
creating more and more big government regulation, more and more government intrusion
into the patient-doctor relationship. Their solution is a political one, but it is not in patients’
best interests. We must get the politicians OUT of healthcare.
Ronald Reagan warned in 1961: “Socialism begins with government control of medicine.”
Reagan also said, “Socialized medicine is always presented as a great emergency, and if you
challenge it, you are attacked with accusations that you lack compassion.” This is exactly
what we are hearing from progressive Democrats today.
Insurance controls become the third rail, a lethal assault on your Constitutionally
guaranteed unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This third rail is
the final shock that can kill you. Politicians cannot save you.
Doctors and patients across the country must join to stop this third rail. Then we have to
start ripping up traps from the other two healthcare tracks they have laid.
©Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D. 2-20-2010

[mar1t1me]

^^^^^

I did some research. Most of that diatribe is alarmist nonsense.

I do not doubt that the current plan is flawed, after all, it was crafted with the help of the insurance companies by politicians.

But that piece is so full of biased misinformation.....

This is more like it.... Or this....