So Virginia bans O-Care

[johnwoo]

there are all very valid opinions and points being made in this thread. i work in the hc industry and i am completely against this bill. i believe this bill is a step backwards in helping reform the system. lots of things were ignored by this law, and i don't mean by the public option, not having a public option was one of the few good points of this bill. however not addressing tort reform was a mistake and restricting and handcuffing physicians even more is only going to result in a lower quality of care. there is only ONE guarantee in this bill. the QUALITY of healthcare that we all have been accustomed to and have all taken granted for will suffer and decline. and there will be RATIONING of care. the unintended consequences of this bill will be mind boggling and will be more far reaching than the bill itself.

[ck_taft325is]

Thanks, John for posting on this. Very appreciated.

It'll be ignored by the "believers" though, so don't be surprised if none of them respond in an intelligent way.

[johnwoo]

Thanks, John for posting on this. Very appreciated.

It'll be ignored by the "believers" though, so don't be surprised if none of them respond in an intelligent way.

no problem i usually try to stay clear of these topics as i become very passionate and easily irritated by others when it comes to this topic.

people need to realize that doctors are there to tell you what you don't have and not what you have. any monkey can tell you that your sick or that you have a sore throat but you go to the doctor to tell you that your sore throat isn't strep or that your fever and cough isn't pneumonia. medicaid is notorious for restricting what physicians can order in terms of tests (xrays, ct, mri, echo). some of these tests are ordered to cover doctors asses in case of litigation which is where tort reform should have been made to stop frivolous medical litigation and curtail expensive tests.
other tests are there for doctors to rule out those catastrophic conditions. this bill is an extended medicaid meaning those same restrictions on tests will now be applied on a wider scale. so now less tests will be ordered and more pathology would be missed. all the same time medical lawyers will be watching over physician's backs to make sure they are doing the right thing. maybe that bowel obstruction was due to a big old pile of poo or it could be due to a huge cancer without the right test physicians wouldn't be able to tell.

here's an analogy for all us e30 guys. its like doing a s52 swap will all of your tools (air tools, lift, sockets, etc.) now take everything away but a hammer and a wrench. can it be done....possibly would it be done correctly? and safely? i wouldn't want to ride in it.

[ck_taft325is]

That's one of the pink elephants in my mind... really just looks like super-medicaid renamed and sold as a great "free" system. This doesn't seem to really help anyone or lower costs but sounds FANTASTIC. Of course Free sounds good, but in reality, you get what you pay for. At least, this is the case with nearly everything. They are saying one thing, but the FACTS (not personal view points, philosophy, etc) are not lining up with what they are saying. Senator Boehmer nailed it in his appeal to the House.

The fact that Democrats went about this whole Health Care reform issue the way they did is indicitive of their intentions in my book. The things said by the Democrats are astounding.

I wish more Democrats could speak in facts. KenC is a good guy to talk to and I love reading what he says as he at least stays honest that he feels Government should regulate and/or inforce Social Morality through taxation.

I'm 14 brews into reading this debacle of a "law". I agree with Hallen. Pelosi should be locked the fuck up. What a fucking nut-case, psycho, man-eating bitch.

I'd love to hear more from you, Johnwoo. PM's or otherwise.

And I've ridden in a car put together with pretty much a hammer and vise grips. It was a short trip to the end of the driveway...