Reading through this thread I've already become very annoyed with the term "vaping."
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Originally posted by Naplm00 View PostI think they banned thse things in NJ, they said they found some heavy metals in the catridges
The Bill would.........
Include e-cigarettes in the New Jersey Smoke Free Air Act, which prohibits smoking in indoor public places and workplaces. It was unanimously released today by the Assembly Health and Senior Services Committee.
The Health and Senior Services Committee of New Jersey helps fund NJGASP.
The now President of GASP was former Commish the New Jersey Department of Health and Senior Services.
The Bill just passed in Paramus changed the definition of "Smoking"
From.........
"Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the
possession of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked.
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d. "Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the possession ofa lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked, including electronic cigarettes.
Reasoning behind this from GASP's website.
The e-cigarette product is inhaled, and creates a smoke (as admitted by e-cigarette websites -see below) upon exhale. The heating element in the e-cigarette heats and vaporizes the nicotine/propylene glycol solution, creating the 'smoke'.
Therefore, since the product is 'smoked' and creates a 'smoke', our interpretation is that the product is not permissible for use in public
places and workplaces that are covered under the NJSFAA.
We surveyed some e-cigarette websites, some of which admit that their product creates a 'smoke', and that the product is 'smoked', etc. For example, Smokeless Revolution’s website admits many times, that the product creates a 'smoke'
If you read the article in the link I posted it will mention the " toxic ingredient found in antifreeze " , that toxic ingredient is found in regular cigarettes in quantities much higher ( think order of magnitude larger ) than the FDA found in some samples ( not all ) of the liquid used in Ecigs.
I could dig up all the appropriate data from the FDA for ya pretty easy ( found in the ECF forum that someone put a link up for earlier ) or you can look it up for yourself if you don't want to take my word for it.
The FDA would like you to believe that Ecigs are full of dangerous chemicals that will kill you, the reality is they found a trace of one chemical in one sample of the absurdly small sample size they decided to test and it just happens to be a chemical that is found in every cigarette made in much larger concentrations. It's a big .gov move to protect big tobacco and big pharm ( smoking cessation products ) so the .gov can collect big tax.
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Originally posted by Wh33lhop View PostReading through this thread I've already become very annoyed with the term "vaping."Originally posted by Matt-Bhey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?
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Originally posted by pureaudio View PostI'm curious to see one of these things in action because I still don't really understand what it is. When you exhale, are you blowing out water vapor or a scentless smoke?
For GG, yes it does negate most of the risks associated with the smoking/using of tobacco products, as you know nicotine is not a cancer causing drug but it's addictive like a mofo. I took the responsibility/consequences of my actions when I was smoking cigs and now I take the responsibility/consequences of them now that I'm using a personal vaporizer instead. I understand you don't like it but thankfully I don't really give a shit what you or anybody else thinks about me.:p
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Originally posted by george graves View PostThe only thing more annoying than that is the people that believe they found a way to get around the health problems of smoking. Just man up and quit already.
Nicotine is so desirable to many people that when they are given only the options of consuming nicotine by smoking, with its high health costs, and not consuming nicotine at all, many opt for the former. Few smokers realize that there is a third choice: non-combustion nicotine sources, such as smokeless tobacco, electronic cigarettes, or pharmaceutical nicotine, which eliminate almost all the risk while still allowing consumption of nicotine. Widespread dissemination of misleading health claims is used to prevent smokers from learning about this lifesaving option, and to discourage opinion leaders from telling smokers the truth. One common misleading claim is a risk-risk comparison that has not before been quantified: A smoker who would have eventually quit nicotine entirely, but learns the truth about low-risk alternatives, might switch to an alternative instead of quitting entirely, and thus might suffer a net increase in health risk. While this has mathematical face validity, a simple calculation of the tradeoff -- switching to lifelong low-risk nicotine use versus continuing to smoke until quitting -- shows that such net health costs are extremely unlikely and of trivial maximum magnitude. In particular, for the average smoker, smoking for just one more month before quitting causes greater health risk than switching to a low-risk nicotine source and never quitting it. Thus, discouraging a smoker, even one who would have quit entirely, from switching to a low-risk alternative is almost certainly more likely to kill him than it is to save him. Similarly, a strategy of waiting for better anti-smoking tools to be developed, rather than encouraging immediate tobacco harm reduction using current options, kills more smokers every month than it could possibly ever save.
I don't know if you have ever smoked, but you must understand that quitting smoking is a life-altering event for most people. Many are simply unable to quit completely. Patches, gums and medication have a relatively poor success rate, not to mention undesirable side effects.
Nicotine is a helluva drug....Jason
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Originally posted by Jesse30 View Postnope
"Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
John F. Kennedy
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