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[Turf1600]

You're right, it's only the majority of the cases. It's like saying that all Arabs wear turbins. This is not truth 100% of the time but the fact that 80% of them wear a turbin, it would be more or less plausible to say that all Arabs wear turbins. Split hairs if you will, the fact is when you take something serious like abortion and try to make it less of a big deal or remarkably easy to get one paid for, you'll end up with those who ARE irresponsible, which would be having sex with as many people as possible, as this is VERY irresponsible, having abortions like tic-tacs.

Generally poor arguments come in the form of a similie or metaphor. The bottom line is that it's foolish to make sweeping generalizations. Is abortion misused, sure. Should you punish everyone because of it? No, and it's never going to happen.

[Turf1600]

Did you read a thing he ("s0urce") wrote? That was what I was belatedly responding to.

And just for arguements sake, where exactly does your wealth of knowledge powering your opinions come from? Mine comes from personal experience, which in general lends a bit more weight to the whole ordeal as you wouldn't want a Therapist working on your BMW would you?

So, just to clarify, that whatever your parents do you'll follow in their footsteps. Just as say a man rapes a woman the child, if allowed to live will inevitable become a rapist? Am I misunderstanding "s0urce" somewhere?

Not at all. Do you really think a person who got raped wants to be reminded of it day after day by looking at the result of it? What if they can't or don't want to give birth? Does their being victim of a sexual crime strip them of the ability to choose? Absolutely not. I read exactly what s0urce wrote and it's a very common talking point. I was just amazed that you'd never heard it.

[Hallen]

Abortion is still birth control - I don't know how you can deny it. Should it be used as birth control? Not every time, no. However - as stated previously - traditional methods of reversible birth control aren't 100% effective. Every holier than thou soap box jackass on this forum wants to believe that all abortions are the direct result of irresponsibility. This is far from the case.

Is it just me or does every valid point in this thread get disregarded?

It's just you.

Except the case of rape, malformed fetus, or extreme health risk to the mother, yes, 100% of all other abortions are the direct result of irresponsibility. It is a choice to have sex. If you are not prepared to have children, then don't have sex. It's that simple.

Yes, I know that is completely unrealistic. That doesn't change the fact that it is irresponsible. Also, we make it seem like it isn't irresponsible if you are using some form of birth control. Well, good for you, that's a wise choice. But these things do fail. If you are not prepared to raise a child, don't have sex.

I am not campaigning one way or the other on abortions. But an abortion is a BIG DEAL. It should never be taken lightly. It isn't the same as taking off a condom and flushing it down the toilet. It is terminating a life.

I don't have the facts, but I would hazard a guess that of all the abortions done in this country, maybe 1% fall into my "except" category. The rest are just irresponsible birth control.

Things won't change with regards to people who shouldn't have kids having sex. I know what it's like to be 16 walking around with a permastiffy. Nothing said here will stop that. If abortion is what is needed, there should be some remorse associated with it. There should be emotional pain. There should be social stigma associated with it. The decision should be carefully considered. It's the real world and nothing comes for free. If after all of that, you still need to do it, then that's your choice.

[ck_taft325is]

Uhh...That's a pretty standard arguing point in favor of abortion - or at least in favor of limited abortion. Getting all worked up about it only proves that you know very little about the topic...

Also, wtf do his parents have to do with any of that?

Did you read a thing he ("s0urce") wrote? That was what I was belatedly responding to.

And just for arguements sake, where exactly does your wealth of knowledge powering your opinions come from? Mine comes from personal experience, which in general lends a bit more weight to the whole ordeal as you wouldn't want a Therapist working on your BMW would you?

So, just to clarify, that whatever your parents do you'll follow in their footsteps. Just as say a man rapes a woman the child, if allowed to live will inevitable become a rapist? Am I misunderstanding "s0urce" somewhere?

[ck_taft325is]

Abortion is still birth control - I don't know how you can deny it. Should it be used as birth control? Not every time, no. However - as stated previously - traditional methods of reversible birth control aren't 100% effective. Every holier than thou soap box jackass on this forum wants to believe that all abortions are the direct result of irresponsibility. This is far from the case.

Is it just me or does every valid point in this thread get disregarded?

You're right, it's only the majority of the cases. It's like saying that all Arabs wear turbins. This is not truth 100% of the time but the fact that 80% of them wear a turbin, it would be more or less plausible to say that all Arabs wear turbins. Split hairs if you will, the fact is when you take something serious like abortion and try to make it less of a big deal or remarkably easy to get one paid for, you'll end up with those who ARE irresponsible, which would be having sex with as many people as possible, as this is VERY irresponsible, having abortions like tic-tacs.

[Turf1600]

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Abortion is still birth control - I don't know how you can deny it. Should it be used as birth control? Not every time, no. However - as stated previously - traditional methods of reversible birth control aren't 100% effective. Every holier than thou soap box jackass on this forum wants to believe that all abortions are the direct result of irresponsibility. This is far from the case.

Is it just me or does every valid point in this thread get disregarded?

[Turf1600]

What does your Father or Mother do for a living? This statement is the stupidest fucking thing on the planet. Obviously if the father raped a woman and got her pregnant his "seed" must carry the rapist gene!!! Quick, to the baby killing headquaters to save a future woman against rape!!! Don't be such a tool and infere every and any negative thing your fucked up, sad, twisted little mind can come up with into everyone of my statements or opinions. It goes less towards proving your point and more towards making you look stupid.

Uhh...That's a pretty standard arguing point in favor of abortion - or at least in favor of limited abortion. Getting all worked up about it only proves that you know very little about the topic...

Also, wtf do his parents have to do with any of that?

[ck_taft325is]

Yes, give birth to more rapist babies.

What does your Father or Mother do for a living? This statement is the stupidest fucking thing on the planet. Obviously if the father raped a woman and got her pregnant his "seed" must carry the rapist gene!!! Quick, to the baby killing headquaters to save a future woman against rape!!! Don't be such a tool and infere every and any negative thing your fucked up, sad, twisted little mind can come up with into everyone of my statements or opinions. It goes less towards proving your point and more towards making you look stupid.

[ck_taft325is]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Precisely.

[pbr87]

I feel like eating vag but the wife is holding out so I'm a bit on edge!

hahahaha! I feel for ya, man!

[jrhaile]

Tell us how you really feel.

I feel like eating vag but the wife is holding out so I'm a bit on edge!

[pbr87]

Shut the fuck up moron. I'm trying to find that study, it was really interesting actually.

Tell us how you really feel.

[Turf1600]

We can only hope.... the quality of American's are in a major decline.

This is because the poor reproduce much more quickly than the wealthy. I blame it on religion.

[CorvallisBMW]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Very well said.

[Massive Lee]

Rats in sewers will not procreate when living conditions, such as lack of food, are difficult. A pregnant cat will self abort if it (she) feels the conditions are not good enough to give birth. The opposite trend seems to apply to the human race.

And I think it is beyond cultural, and perhaps even genetic. If a couple, living in harsh conditions, makes only two babies, chances are that only one will survive. While a couple making 4 or 5 of them has more chances to see the blood line perpetuted, even if two kids die. It's a genetic call.

Also, let's remember that North American familiies usually counted about 5 to 6 members until half a century ago, and often 12 or 14 until a century ago when arms were needed to work on the family farm. I guess it has to do where we put our values. I wish I had a two or three kids laughing in our backyard, but only made one.