F1 to switch back to 4 cylinder power in 2013

[b*saint]

It takes an average of 40 hp at 7000 rpm to drive a supercharger.

[gstuning]

Now that is a terribly lacking statement.

the supercharger power drain is proportional to the boost produced, the rotating speed of the supercharger, the efficiency of the supercharger, the belt orientation

[b*saint]

Now that is a terribly lacking statement.

the supercharger power drain is proportional to the boost produced, the rotating speed of the supercharger, the efficiency of the supercharger, the belt orientation

Did you miss the word "average" in my statement? Of course there is too much variables to put a specific number. That's like when people say an a/c compressor on your car uses 10 hp. Well it depends on how much you use your a/c, the temperature outside, the brand compressor, the size, etc etc..

My post was generic. Thanks for being a cock.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^

He seems to be good at the nit picking of you, when you are trying to help the slow ones "get it"

[mrsleeve]

Seems we're forgetting to mention that diesels are lean burn engines. You can run lean under boost on a diesel, in fact, that's how they all run.

A diesel running at stoich will typically pour smoke out of it, so it's typically not done (the exceptions being rather obvious).

People seem to forget that the whole stoich thing is done solely for emissions, and no other purpose. Your M20B25 doesn't care if it's cruising at 14.7:1 or at 17:1, but the EPA and CARB do. the same is true for piston engine aircraft, they actually have an adjustment for fuel mix. You typically run rich for take off and climb, then lean out for your 65-75% throttle cruise (so there goes the you can't run lean and put down power argument).

You can have a high power vehicle that gets good cruise mileage. It requires things that until recently just weren't done, like a 6th or 7th gear, and things the EPA won't allow, like lean cruise.

Regarding car A @ 180hp and car B @ 180hp, and one getting better mileage than the other, don't forget that the e30 is a brick.

Yeah I know they run lean when when they are just cruising, What happens when you run lean??? You make shit tons of HEAT, that heat can and will burn down pistons heads and all the other tid bits, if you try that under high load, or get it too lean.

You are correct a little excess fuel pulls the heat out to keep that shit from happening. This is why its very very important to track EGT's on turbo cars (really all cars in general) to see when you are running to lean. Or under high load for long periods of time, I have to watch it when towing heavy on long hills with the truck (LLY Duramax) and have seen egt spikes approaching 1750*F on a 100% stock tune, thats NOT FUCKING GOOD. Safe limit for Diesel is about 1200*F I normally run about 950-1100

Yes the EPA has basicly out lawed Lean burn outta the states thanks to its NOx limits, and that is counter to the laws of nature.

You can make a fuck ton of power running lean, BUT at the sacrifice of Longevity

[u3b3rg33k]

No arguments there, but that doesn't mean I don't want to try it (after I get a WB and an EGT of course).

[gstuning]

^^^^^^^^^^^

He seems to be good at the nit picking of you, when you are trying to help the slow ones "get it"

Did you miss the word "average" in my statement? Of course there is too much variables to put a specific number. That's like when people say an a/c compressor on your car uses 10 hp. Well it depends on how much you use your a/c, the temperature outside, the brand compressor, the size, etc etc..

My post was generic. Thanks for being a cock.

But it´s not average, it´s just a number,.

You two are too sure that people are stupid to not actually understand whatever you may know and thus just give average numbers.

Give people some credit and give them good explanations instead of just winding on to the
huge amount of internet rumors where people take them for facts.

[b*saint]

But it´s not average, it´s just a number,.

You two are too sure that people are stupid to not actually understand whatever you may know and thus just give average numbers.

Give people some credit and give them good explanations instead of just winding on to the
huge amount of internet rumors where people take them for facts.

You can't just let it go can't you?

[naplesE30]

I read somewhere that the FIA is targeting a lap time to be 5 sec slower for 2013. Un-fucking believable. The old f1 racers must be fucking irrate. Imagine how jimmy clark, senna, villaneuve, fangio or any living great like moss that raced in 60's feel about this. Those guys literely put their lives on the line for pure speed, at every race. And now this is what F1 has turned into. Its time for a new non fia series be started.