Anybody watching this CRAP F1 race?

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  • e30sd
    Fistee
    • Jan 2004
    • 5517

    #16
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    • Tangent
      E30 Addict
      • Mar 2004
      • 476

      #17
      I put the blame on Micheline first. It doesn't take a highly paid tire engineer to figure out that a high-banked turn will result in higher sidewall flex in the tire due to higher g forces. They should have brought those tires with the stiffer sidewall with them in the first place instead of trying to get around the rule. Leaving all this to the last second was idiotic on their part.

      Next, the blame goes to the FIA for that dumbass rule in the first place. You've got the highest tech cars in the world racing at mind-boggling speeds and cornering forces and your plan for reducing costs is to require one set of tires per weekend?

      The fans getting pissed off about this debacle is entirely justified. Fans throwing junk on the track is pure BS and they should be banned from attending any further races anywhere. Hey you're pissed, we get it. Taking out your aggressions by potentially endangering the lives of the 6 drivers lucky enough to be using a tire that doesn't suck is low class bullshit.

      The USGP wasn't doing all too well to begin with from what I remember hearing. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the French managed to kill it for us entirely with this little BS stunt.

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      • Z3Jonathan
        Wrencher
        • Oct 2003
        • 289

        #18
        Originally posted by e30kid
        I think Bridgestone had the upper hand because of the information Firestone acquired at the indy500... but Michelin didn’t have any tire they could race on!

        I watched half of the race and fell asleep, but who would throw anything onto the racetrack? I guess I would be pissed if it happened to me.
        Like any company delivering a service or product, Michelin had a responsibility to their customers to deliver a tire that would perform under its performing environment. In this case, the customer is the teams running michelins, and the operating environment is the high banks of Indy.

        Anyone with half an engineering sense could tell you that the USGP @ Indy is a unique demanding environment: you have high speeds providing downforce, and high cornering loads from the banks. If Michelin felt they didn't have adequate knowledge of banked courses, (compared to Bridgestone) then they should've taken one of the retired Formula 1 cars that they own, and tested at Indy during the off season.

        Jonathan

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        • Henna Red
          Advanced Member
          • Jul 2004
          • 188

          #19
          Originally posted by Z3Jonathan
          Anyone with half an engineering sense could tell you that the USGP @ Indy is a unique demanding environment: you have high speeds providing downforce, and high cornering loads from the banks. If Michelin felt they didn't have adequate knowledge of banked courses, (compared to Bridgestone) then they should've taken one of the retired Formula 1 cars that they own, and tested at Indy during the off season.
          As a matter of fact, they were given the chance to test, but only sent two cars from the michelin teams.

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          • Kristuphir
            E30 Addict
            • Feb 2004
            • 402

            #20
            I flew in from LA and was there for the whole weekend, so at least I got to see all the cars at speed (or whatever you call it when Jordans and Minardis are out there) during Friday practice, qualifying, etc. But all the money I spent to be there sure starting hurting come race time...

            FIA to blame, yes - there were several compromises that could have been reached in the interest of the fans, sponsors, and the future of the USGP, but they chose not to go with any that made sense. They wanted their to be a speed limit through turn 13. Right. Ferrari, not really - assholes or not, they did what anyone in their position would have - it's not their fault the other teams showed up with substandard equipment, and they were in no position to make or break the compromise, as some people seem to think. They don't get to tell FIA what to do any more than anyone else. Michelin, most certainly. They've raced this same circuit for a number of years - I done seen it with mah own two eyes, right there trackside. It wasn't an issue before. This turn has existed since 19-oh-fucking-9, to paraphrase David Hobbs. They fucked up royally, in the long and the short of it, and the FIA fucked the fans, and maybe themselves. Now they've summoned the 7 teams to a hearing, so they can fuck them too.

            So much for a second, or even one, USGP...

            Chris

            The Hunt: Part IV is over.

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            • nefarious7907
              E30 Enthusiast
              • Jan 2005
              • 1170

              #21
              Originally posted by FifeDog236

              Michael Schumacher in the lead, how surprising!


              http://www.cardomain.com/ride/657387

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