Something I experienced, german vs american E30 board

[neighborhood]

everybody is post whore on r3v, BLAH BLAH BLAH......

I think your wrong sir!

[mr.vang]

I think your wrong sir!

diff your not a post whore, since 2005 and only 348 posts. :D

[M3Philipp]

You also have to recognize that people here can do whatever they want with their cars and all of us know that. Sure just because the car doesn't fit into what Vlad or some Scandinavian would build doesn't mean that its wrong or bad. Maybe you should stop being so german? ;)

I didn't mean or say that the way it is on the german board f.e. would be the better way.
Also, I think you are talking about something completly different now.
Not everyone has the biggest budget to put into their cars, so if someone does something good with beeing low on money, hell, why should I give a bad comment on it?

Some nice comments here so far, keep em' comming.

What the fuck is up with the color on your wheels? Fix that shit.

Will do ! But the fuck, need some money bro for a pair of BBS RS and polished paint and all that hot stuff! :hitler: :D

[TurboJake]

I wonder if you guys will approve with what I have coming up this weekend.
I doubt anyone will argue against it though. The only modern aftermarket items came from IE...

(Now that I said something, I fully expect to be flamed to death, while I laugh to death)

[Dozyproductions]

I didn't mean or say that the way it is on the german board f.e. would be the better way.
Also, I think you are talking about something completly different now.
Not everyone has the biggest budget to put into their cars, so if someone does something good with beeing low on money, hell, why should I give a bad comment on it?

Some nice comments here so far, keep em' comming.

So what in the god damn ball licking fucking shit are you talking about?

[M3Philipp]

So what in the god damn ball licking fucking shit are you talking about?

Ok, stop to overact now, not funny anymore.
I didn't say a car has to be perfect in anyones opinion, to get good critics and comments.
Thats kinda what you picked up here, isn't it?
Never meant to that way.

[Dozyproductions]

lol, you get pretty butt hurt for a german

[jadecraft]

I agree with you there. I worked in Germany briefly and found that people were much more direct and upfront, that too without being rude. Constructive criticism seemed to be the motto.

[imsotyerred]

why is it that international posters always start out with "i'm sorry for my english, it isn't perfect." and then produce a post that is more well-written and intelligible than 90% of what american posters write?

[Nairb]

I lived in Germany for about 3 years.

Yes, they are more direct. Yes, they will tell you how it is. Yes, they will cut your ass in any kind of line you will try to form.

OP, post pics of your car so we can critique it.

[neighborhood]

I lived in Germany for about 3 years.

Yes, they are more direct. Yes, they will tell you how it is. Yes, they will cut your ass in any kind of line you will try to form.

OP, post pics of your car so we can critique it.

There's a whole damn build thread posted to this website, go find it.

[Emre]

I've been on various forums trying to get information for the build of my 190E 2.3-16 racer. The guys in Germany were not very helpful. It's like they're all part of a club and they don't want outsiders stepping in.

What I've noticed is that they don't seem to have the "DIY" attitude we have here in the US. For example:

• You say "I'm trying to solve this problem."
• They say "Go to the dealer and order the parts."
• You say "Well, that doesn't really work because of X, Y, and Z."
• They say "That's how the car was engineered. Anything different is wrong."
• You say "But this is a race application and OEM parts don't work."
• They say "In that case, bring the car to Dany Snobeck and have him build it for you."

Then I've had the experience of calling a shop such as Atec or Stadler to see if some of their parts would work for my application. They don't answer their e-mails or phone. When you finally get through, they refuse to answer any questions. They simply say, "Ship the car to us, leave a blank check, and we'll have it ready in 6-8 months." Thanks It's like everything is a trade secret: We'll build you a fast car, but we won't help you build a fast car, even if you use our parts.

For example, I want to install multiple throttle bodies on my car. The only off-the-shelf parts available are slide throttles from Stadler. But they're not ideal for my set-up for a variety of reasons. So, I'm forced to build my own. Together with Levent from Guten Parts, we've looked at adapting Weber DCOE-pattern ITBs, S14B23 throttles, and bike throttles. Right now, we're experimenting with 48mm throttles from a Suzuki GSX-R 1300.

This kind of thing would be ridiculed on the German forums, but guys in the UK and USA think it's cool.

[mikeedler]

here in Germany, people have a more negative atmosphere I guess you could say in a way. I don't bring my M3 to very many shows, because all I ever hear at shows is the negatives about it.
German people are great, but when they don't know each other, they have no problem being an ass to the other.

[Dozyproductions]

here in Germany, people have a more negative atmosphere I guess you could say in a way. I don't bring my M3 to very many shows, because all I ever hear at shows is the negatives about it.
German people are great, but when they don't know each other, they have no problem being an ass to the other.

one second, your m3 is the henna or the orange one right? There's negatives said about that?! (Whats in your avatar I can't see well due to my crt screen about to die)

[OldsCool]

What I've noticed is that they don't seem to have the "DIY" attitude we have here in the US. For example:

• You say "I'm trying to solve this problem."
• They say "Go to the dealer and order the parts."
• You say "Well, that doesn't really work because of X, Y, and Z."
• They say "That's how the car was engineered. Anything different is wrong."
• You say "But this is a race application and OEM parts don't work."
• They say "In that case, bring the car to Dany Snobeck and have him build it for you."

this is SOOOOOO true, therefore i hate to deal with german "car builders" or "experts"

the most thing i really HATE to death is: there are 85% just talking like they could build you a nuke out of a candle and some bubblegum but when it comes to reality and asking them to show their skills then you hear stuff like "ah no bro i was just sayin', you know i've heard this and that BLAH BLAH BLAH"

a friend of mine built a S2k Honda with Vortech charger and stuff, wanted a decent tune. the so called specialists tried to "tune" his car but sucked major balls. they simply "tune" cars by slapping some premade-maps into the ecu and call it a tune. he got 293whp out of this "pro-map". a few weeks later he had luck some guy called "mase" (seems to be very well known in the honda scene) came by on his euro trip and tuned his car on a dynojet dyno, he pulled out 418rwhp out of this setup on regular fuel pump

all i want to say, US and UK guys are more into cars, and there are way more shops and garages with parts and knowledge. sure there will be black sheeps but they are everywhere. but i bet, if you need something custom made for your car, you will get faster and cheaper help in the US and UK.