I f*cking hate Australia.

[Iain]

So what? People put 17s on E30s. That's not period correct. People put 19s on R32 GT-Rs. Same goes for that.

You're going to have no hope of getting traction with period-correct 14s fitted with polyglass tyres, pookie. As for the Mickey Thompsons and 15" Welds/etc they're also not period correct - they're a late '80s wheel in Oz - and those tyres need heat to work. Cold, they may as well be driving on stockies and the 20s will offer far more grip on the street.

800hp is always going to struggle for grip, but maybe that's not the point of the car?

[OniKyan]

What's wrong with 20" Show Wheels billets and a twin-turbo big-block in a '69 Camaro? Have you SEEN some of the modified cars from America or especially Europe?

It isn't period correct.

Also what's the point of having 800hp(1500hp in that Camaro's case) if you can't put it to the ground? Wouldn't you be better off with Mickey Thompsons mounted to a 15" Weld, Convo Pro etc to make proper use of that kind of power?

[Iain]

Yes. You talk about it with the engineer, present your case and argue why you should be allowed to run it. Apparently, you can't engineer 4-link rear-ends in NSW. Bullshit. Argue your case and you can get it past.

Engineering one car to another is totally different. A good friend has a big single turbo 2JZ in a 180SX in SA. Cost him $2k to get it all engineered. Another has a LS1 HiLux minitruck - $1500 engineered. Hell, a converted GX Liberty with a late model (2005) Spec C engine/loom/drivetrain was only $900 engineered.

[OniKyan]

You can get all that, even adjustable coilovers, engineered. It doesn't matter if it has ADRs or not - a registered signatory can pass it so long as it's not too far outside the scope of the laws and is safe. I had 2 different engineers willing to sign off on flared arches on my last E30 and a +50mm track increase. I know of plenty of people who've gotten that kind of stuff passed, all over Australia.

For real?

Engineering is an expensive process, at least in SA. I know guys who have had their 800hp built HT Monaros etc engineered and the cost was upwards of 5k after all said and done.

[Iain]

What's wrong with 20" Show Wheels billets and a twin-turbo big-block in a '69 Camaro? Have you SEEN some of the modified cars from America or especially Europe?

[Farbin Kaiber]

This thread, I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

[OniKyan]

This is what Street Machine bogans would do to the Camaro.

[Iain]

Yes, there are plenty of good JDM, Euro and classic/muscle cars around but they're really confined to their respective scene, barely taken out and barely used. Based on personal exposure, I do believe that over the top, oversized diameter, 6 inch wide wheel craze is the majority. Maybe I've lived in shit areas.

I've been down and visited friends in SA and have seen plenty used regularly. You must be driving around in the scummy houso-filled areas at the wrong times. Go to Campbelltown in Sydney at 9am on a Wednesday and you will only see '90s V6 Commos on Bob Jane 16s. Same area, 9pm on a Saturday or 2pm on a sunny Sunday and you'll see some great cars.

Many engine swaps can be engineered, yes. It's more suspension and chassis mods that aren't allowed. 25mm is the most you can increase track. This means 15x8's and large tyres are not really permissible.

Coilovers can be engineered but they can't be height adjustable which defeats the purpose.

Hell, my Momo Prototipo is not even ADR approved for an E30 and that is a genuine Momo steering wheel.

I've heard of people being defected for having no back seat. Apparently it's unsafe in an accident, I don't really know how.

You can get all that, even adjustable coilovers, engineered. It doesn't matter if it has ADRs or not - a registered signatory can pass it so long as it's not too far outside the scope of the laws and is safe. I had 2 different engineers willing to sign off on flared arches on my last E30 and a +50mm track increase. I know of plenty of people who've gotten that kind of stuff passed, all over Australia.

I find the stars and stripes to be more relevant to the United states than the southern cross is to Australia. They have a star for every state. We have a constellation that can be seen from anywhere in the southern hemisphere.

Eureka Stockade.

Adelaide sounds horrible.

If the world gets an enema, it'll be inserted through Adelaide

[tg318is]

Adelaide sounds horrible.

[Iain]

You must live in a classy area if you think riced out cars aren't the majority. At least 70% of aftermarket wheels are of the over sized diameter, chrome variety in Adelaide, regardless of car type. You see them on everything from HZ's and LH Toranas(thank you Street Machine magazine) to Hyundai Excels and E36's. OTT stereos would be the second biggest mod.

Chrome? Street Machine magazine? You need to learn the difference between chrome and polished billet, pookie.

I know of dozens of tough late model Japanese and Aussie cars in Adelaide that AREN'T over the top, and some of Australia's best modified Euros (done in a classic, clean style) come from SA. You're not looking hard enough, or you hang out in dodgy areas.

Even in NSW, home of the lebbo gangsters with "QSR pink S2000s on 24z bra" there is a huge number of clean, tough street cars, from old school stuff, to traditional hot rods, to circuit cars...

Legal requirements are rather stringent. 90% of common tuning applied to E30's is not legal.

M50, M52, S5x swaps are all easily legal. Coilovers can be engineered. Depending on the state and the original tare weight of the E30 used, an LS1 is also legal as is 5L V8s, 1UZs, etc.

There are 2 turbo M50 E30s in NSW I know of that flew through engineering, plus quite a few M30 and turbo M30 E30s that are legally on NSW roads.

What do you want to do?

Care to elaborate?

The flag gives us a national identity. You go to the US and tell them the Stars & Stripes is irrelevant and you'll get punched in the face. It is a symbol of national identity. If you want to complain about misplaced symbolic idolism, look at the boxing kangaroo - it is a corporate trademark of Bond Corp (as in, famous bankrupt Alan Bond)

[OniKyan]

It's not that hard to build a legal car to use on the street. You know it, you're too stupid or lazy to do it right.


The flag is irrelevant to this country? Random constellation? You're more retarded than I thought.

Legal requirements are rather stringent. 90% of common tuning applied to E30's is not legal.


Care to elaborate?

[OniKyan]

You must live in a classy area if you think riced out cars aren't the majority. At least 70% of aftermarket wheels are of the over sized diameter, chrome variety in Adelaide, regardless of car type. You see them on everything from HZ's and LH Toranas(thank you Street Machine magazine) to Hyundai Excels and E36's. OTT stereos would be the second biggest mod.

[Iain]

The zeta platform was actually developed in Detroit. It's just produced here.

Try again, pookie. It was developed by Holden engineers. Same as the new-gen V6 used in Alfas/Opels/etc.

Obviously the track is the appropriate place to race/drift but the fact that we can barely even modify cars driven on the street without getting raped is bullshit. You know it.

It's not that hard to build a legal car to use on the street. You know it, you're too stupid or lazy to do it right.

Analysis of a bogan was as a whole and you definitely sound like one. Defending the southern cross, lol. "It's on our flag". Who gives a shit? The flag is irrelevant to this country. It's the British union jack and some random constellation.

The flag is irrelevant to this country? Random constellation? You're more retarded than I thought.

Try peddling a fast car down a straight line? Done that. How about you try linking a mountain road, or an entire track since you think drifting requires no skill.

You're a fucking spastic. I didn't say drifing doesn't require skill. I laughed at your naive assumption that driving a fast car at the drags is easy. And, I dare say I've spent more time behind the wheel of more drift and circuit cars than you have, champ, including your beat-to-shit $3k E30. Seeing as you're such a manic, blind-to-the-rest-of-the-world fanboi I'm surprised you haven't just started crapping in your hand like the mouth-breathing downie you are and painting "TOUGE ROOLZ" on the wall in your own faecal matter.

Smoking is definitely a trailer trash quality, so is drinking.

Please, tell me more about your straight edge lifestyle and how it empowers you with such a high and mighty moral standing to blindly pass judgement on the rest of us...

As I said before: if you don't like this country, move. Don't sit on the internet making up illogical, totally false reasons why you hate the place you live. Be proactive and move. Or kill yourself.

[OniKyan]

I've eaten stale sandwiches that have more intelligence and a better viewpoint on the world than you. This bullshit that everyone drives a blinged-up Commo/Lancer is utter crap - if you pulled your head out of your arse you'd actually see they're in the minority out here. So someone drinks cheap booze and smokes, and that makes them a bogan? What the fuck are you on? Are you seriously that far up yourself you consider those things to be "trailer trash" like qualities?

Commodores and Falcons share SFA components with any other car out there, you blithering twat. And we're responsible for developing the GM Zeta platform - have you driven any of these cars you're bagging out? I have, and they'll run rings around an E30 (as they should with +30 years development). As for the comment about the talent to drift vs drag racing, well I'd love to see you pedal a 10second or faster car down the strip, hero.

Also, you don't even seem to recognise what the fuck the Southern Cross represents to Australians. 1) It's on our flag, fuckwit. 2) It formed a part of the Eureka movement's symbol. Look it up, you might learn something.

Long story short, emigrate to another country and see how you go. With a tiny amount of perspective, you might actually realise that if you don't act like a complete fucking retard on the streets you can have fun with cars in Australia. Sure, the nannystate speeding kills bullshit is tiresome, but it's not hard to get onto racetracks to get your jollies (if you aren't a complete mouth-breathing moron... which I am suspecting you actually are).

I should have known you were a complete douche canoe by your username. Demon Camber is utterly retarded, and so are you. You are a the posterchild for why cousins shouldn't marry.

Cliffnotes: If you really hate Australia, you can do something and fuck off, you dumb waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles.

Regards,
A bogan

The zeta platform was actually developed in Detroit. It's just produced here.

Obviously the track is the appropriate place to race/drift but the fact that we can barely even modify cars driven on the street without getting raped is bullshit. You know it.

Analysis of a bogan was as a whole and you definitely sound like one. Defending the southern cross, lol. "It's on our flag". Who gives a shit? The flag is irrelevant to this country. It's the British union jack and some random constellation.

Try peddling a fast car down a straight line? Done that. How about you try linking a mountain road, or an entire track since you think drifting requires no skill.


Smoking is definitely a trailer trash quality, so is drinking.

[Massimo]

you blithering twat.

lol have not heard that one in a long time.

Anyways you still need to admit it is ridiculous here. I don't think we were arguing the point that racing should be kept to the track, that is obvious. It is more along the lines that these idiots on the street "hoons", are making it impossible for the rest of us to enjoy and modify our cars.

I want to start a full ground up rebuild to enjoy driving around on the weekend. But the fact that it will probably get defected is putting me off of it. I dont want anything crazy just a nice looking car with a bit of a performance increase.