ex-LAPD - Chris Dorner

[Cha Ching]

Psychotic killers dont right manifestos with with pretty decent grammar and punctuation. Really? What evidence do you have to support this? You are aware that the standard serial-killer formula is a middle-aged white male with above-average intelligence, right? Plus these "murders" have not been proven except for the cops that got shot trying to apprehend him. Pardon my candor, but you are delusional to think otherwise. I'm all for, "innocent until proven guilty", but believe me, there is more than enough evidence to convict Dorner of these murders even now. Mind you all but one of the deaths were police force related. Interesting observation, but I'm not sure what you mean by saying, "all but one of the deaths was police force related."? Elaborate, please.

Also, from the manifesto he wasn't boo hooing as you say, from what it says they were being fairly cruel and racist not only to fellow officers but also to convicts/apprehended people. Just because you get a badge doesn't mean you get to beat on people when you like. We have a difference of opinion here. I've read his manifesto and in my opinion it does make him out to be a chronic complainer. Now, whether or not each and every situation was justified is not for me to discuss, because they are moot points with regards to his actions. The same goes for your comment about, "...a badge doesn't mean you get to beat on people when you like.". I completely and utterly agree with you, but again, that's not the point. The point is for all his rhetoric, NONE of it is a justification to start a killing spree.

Still, Criminal, psycho, or not, burning someone to death is redic, and if they heard a shot and assumed he was dead why fire tear gas into it. Honestly they should have quarantined the area of suspect, evacuated all the innocents, then waited it out with snipers or military units. Trying to "take him down" as they would say, only risks more lives and is a waste of resources. I'm not sure what 'redic' means, but I agree, burning someone to death is not good. However, I do take into account that Dorner's actions directly led to his own demise. The response teams onsite do not have the luxury of, "assuming he was dead" when that single gunshot was fired. They have to assume the worse, which is not that he took his life, but that he took the life of a hostage. Suffice it to say, there is much, much more that LE has to deal with in these scenarios then you, me, or the general public will ever be able to fathom. Just know that, although you may not agree or understand why police/LE do what they do in these situations, they do things with the preservation of public safety first and foremost in their minds. With that regard, there is no such thing as, "a waste of resources".

LAPD didn't make any good tactical decisions from the news footage In my opinion. Did I miss something here? I don't believe the LAPD was involved in any way with how this ended. Big Bear is outside of their jurisdiction and they were not in, "hot pursuit". It was San Bernardino County Sheriff's and Fish & Game Wardens that were involved. But to your point, tactical errors are always a reality because every scenario is different.

I understand the "killer" aspect and wanting to protect the people. But this still seems fishy.

"tin foil hat on" Nice hat!

[decay]

I dont understand how all of the LA ghettos aren't rioting right now... burned alive is a bit more drastic that beaten with batons and they went apeshit for that.

he was a cop. in compton et al, they are thinking "house n-word got what he asked for".

[deutschman]

And did they here this single gun shot before or after the fire was set?
If they herd him shoot him self, why not send an EOD robot in there and check him out? This is 2013 after all.
If the house caught fire and then he shot him self why didnt they send the FD in? Hoses shoot water nice and fare and cooked off rounds wont do much harm if any to people out side of the house.
Also why did they use PYROtechnic gas in a log cabin? I am no expert on what kinds of tear gas rounds there are, but it seams they might have made a more prudent selection.

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Really hope that doesn't happen... I sit in enough traffic as it is!

This one is different this was 5-0 so he had everybody against him.

[Mfever]

funny how hoses and high pressure water work...


I dont understand how all of the LA ghettos aren't rioting right now... burned alive is a bit more drastic that beaten with batons and they went apeshit for that.

Really hope that doesn't happen... I sit in enough traffic as it is!

[Wschnitz]

Also in that video there is alot of reports comming from like 1 gun lol, the cops pumped rounds into that house like nobodys business.

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This time CNN is even saying it looks like they cooked him out. Check this out CNN live footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAAbylq0Isk

[Eric]

srsly, Mythbusters confirmed this in, like, their first season

however, if I were the guy in charge I wouldn't send firefighters in there even knowing that

funny how hoses and high pressure water work...


I dont understand how all of the LA ghettos aren't rioting right now... burned alive is a bit more drastic that beaten with batons and they went apeshit for that.

[xAZxE30x]

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srsly, Mythbusters confirmed this in, like, their first season

Yupp!!

[imsotyerred]

A "cooked off" round will not hurt Anyone. It'll just pop the bullet off. For it to kill or severely injure someone it needs a barrel to build the proper pressure

They were never planning on putting it out

I don't agree with his killings but its fucked up they burned him. Like someone said, this is not the Middle Ages

My tin foil hat is also on ;)

srsly, Mythbusters confirmed this in, like, their first season

however, if I were the guy in charge I wouldn't send firefighters in there even knowing that

[xAZxE30x]

A "cooked off" round will not hurt Anyone. It'll just pop the bullet off. For it to kill or severely injure someone it needs a barrel to build the proper pressure

They were never planning on putting it out

I don't agree with his killings but its fucked up they burned him. Like someone said, this is not the Middle Ages

My tin foil hat is also on ;)

[Wschnitz]

Psychotic killers dont right manifestos with with pretty decent grammar and punctuation. Plus these "murders" have not been proven except for the cops that got shot trying to apprehend him. Mind you all but one of the deaths were police force related.

Also, from the manifesto he wasn't boo hooing as you say, from what it says they were being fairly cruel and racist not only to fellow officers but also to convicts/apprehended people. Just because you get a badge doesn't mean you get to beat on people when you like.

Still, Criminal, psycho, or not, burning someone to death is redic, and if they heard a shot and assumed he was dead why fire tear gas into it. Honestly they should have quarantined the area of suspect, evacuated all the innocents, then waited it out with snipers or military units. Trying to "take him down" as they would say, only risks more lives and is a waste of resources.

LAPD didn't make any good tactical decisions from the news footage In my opinion.

I understand the "killer" aspect and wanting to protect the people. But this still seems fishy.

"tin foil hat on"

[Cha Ching]

are you part of the LAPD or something? your defending them when obviously something shady was going on, from the reports they almost have no idea where he actually is, sightings being all over the place.

And you still dont burn someone to death. This isnt the middle ages.

I was waiting for someone to ask, but no, I am not LAPD or a cop. But I understand proper tactical procedure. I've been trying to educate people who are uninformed or mis-informed, especially by the equally clueless media. My goal is not to incite nor inflame, rather it is to educate.

I'm not defending any department's actions, rather I am explaining why they do the things they do. However, I will take exception to your position, since you appear to be defending the actions of a stone-cold killer. There is simply no justification for what Dorner did.

So let me ask you, what are these, "shady" actions you (and many others) keep referring to? Employment discrimination? Racial discrimination in the workplace? Didn't like the people he worked with?? Boo-hoo, cry me a river, go get another job. None of these "wrong-doings" is justification for killing people.

Burning someone to death?? You are missing several key points here:
1. Dorner had already engaged in a gun battle with LE when he took cover in the cabin. His actions identify him as a guy who isn't going down without a fight.

2. Audio coverage clearly has officer's saying they've, "heard a single gunshot", which I'm going to assume was Dorner taking his own life. This would explain why he couldn't exit the cabin under his own accord. Ironically, the gunshot adds to the confusion and seriousness of the situation.

3. Taking the above into account and the subsequent rounds "cooking off" from the heat would preclude any sane person from risking their life in order to put out the ensuing fire caused by the tear gas.

Again, I'm baffled as to why you question my defense of departmental procedures when you defend the actions of a psychotic killer. Doesn't exactly put you in a good light, does it?

By his own admission, Dorner had deep-rooted issues going back to his childhood. It appears he felt, "wronged" by the system and, "the man", because of the color of his skin. Still, not a reason to kill people. There were and are, other avenues of retribution he could have sought.

[Cha Ching]

This is great. The body is still-smoldering and ex-cops are coming out of the woodworks to promote a new book or bring light to their own narcissistic motives.

The real problem I see here is that there is a lot of underlying racism...and I'm not just talking about the LAPD. But, like any other employment situation, if you don't like the environment, work to change it or leave. You do not kill people.

[travish325]

man, you airforce weenies... the CS chamber ain't that bad. suck it up. :P

hahah more than once lol Its not to bad but not being able to see and snot everywhere I would say your gonna walk very well out of a building lol but you know that.